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Characteristics of a monkey Agility of a monkey Over-confident Over-optimistic Over-energetic An idiot in everyday life Childish at times Physically strong Runs around half-naked Fearless with an unbreakable will It is too similar to be an accident (she even gets ready to fight by "switching gears"!). The only character trait missing from the list above is "monstrously strong" (at mahjong), and then you have a perfect female clone of Goku/Luffy/Naruto "monkey-type" character, which is what I have been waiting for/expecting since the very first chapter. The fact that some people were SURPRISED that Shizuno turned out to be monster is still hard for me to understand. The only explanation I can come up with is that couldn't or wouldn't make the connection between Shizuno and the Goku/Luffy/Naruto character type on which she was based. At least for me, all other issues aside, Shizuno's character type itself foreshadowed the monster she was later revealed to be. (How could a protagonist, whose's character is a carbon copy Goku/Luffy/Naruto, turn out to be weak?) Last edited by cedec0; 2013-03-14 at 23:32. |
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2013-03-14, 22:39 | Link #3343 | |
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2013-03-14, 22:43 | Link #3344 |
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@cedec0
This kind of meta justification won't fly if you're judging the series in isolation, which most people tend to do. If the only foreshadowing you can offer isn't something you'd find within the series itself, then it doesn't really count. And even if it did, it's still a horrible writing practice. Besides, as some have already stated, this manga caters to a different audiences compared to works like Naruto and One Piece, so it's unreasonable to expect the same things from both types of works. In any case, attributing this to sexism seems like a stretch.
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Naruto is more like a fox while Goku and Luffy are indeed butt monkeys.
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Shizu is a defensive player and more like a monster slayer but she is not well groom enough by the story to justify it even though its been hinted, obviously that she will be an enemy for Saki but hint of her ability and strength wasn't shown until the near end.
I start re-watching Saki BD season 1 and I notice that since the beginning that buchou already hinted of Saki with super human level of luck and she is either a demon or a god and its funny when we fans looked at Saki as an overlord or demon lord while the manga shown Shizu, her supposedly enemy is a Buddha or a god and Awai as the star or universe. Also in the ED song. Teru was shown fighting Satoha and maybe Kei (I can only see her rear but the uniform is like her nurse uniform so she is probably her) and an unknown 4th player.
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Well, we've known from the very beginning that Saki is a ridiculous monster of the highest levels just by her ability to be able to get +/- 0 at will (which is a feat more impressive than Rinshan Kaihou imo). But honestly, I don't really think you can really compare Saki and Shizu that much because apart from the fact that they're both the captain players for their teams, there's not much similarities between the two of them. To give an analogy, Saki would be like Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, somebody established from the very beginning as being really powerful and likely among the best. Whereas Shizu would be more like for lack of a better example off the top of my head, Yusuke the soul detective, who starts off much lower in terms of comparative power to the enemies around him but quickly improves via fights with strong enemies and training. Although in this case all of Shizu's training and 'fights' against strong opponents are shown off screen, which seems to what the main issue comes down to. On one hand, since it seems like Achiga may have only had a predetermined set amount of chapters from the beginning, Ritz may have had to cut some things and compress some things, leading to the mentioned pacing issues, and alot of the mahjong matches were compressed down to only one or two hands, if they were shown at all. Of course, Ritz may have also chosen not to give as obvious hints in order to have the final chapter feel more climatic. I don't know whether it was forced by various issues if a deliberate choice, but it does come at a cost, which has been mentioned and discussed quite extensively already.
But onto another point that just struck me. I'm not very familiar with mountain climbing or the Japanese culture as related to mountain climbing, but Shizu was solo climbing/hiking mountains as early as her first year in middle school if not sooner? Is that dangerous for a person so young to be doing that kind of thing alone or is it one of those things that seems dangerous but is actually pretty safe? (has no idea)
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However, If I have a chance to climb up the tree with her, I will make sure to let her go up first. If You Know What I Mean
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2013-03-15, 03:36 | Link #3350 | |
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I really have to agree with on the aspect of how people view Shizu has nothing to do with sexism. It has nothing to do with Shizu shonen hero personality for that matter. From your example of popular shounen manga heroes, they all have a well established fighting style and skill in the field of combat early in the series. People won't regard Goku as strong without his superstrength which we have seen in the first few episodes, same goes with Naruto and Luffy if we didn't see their cloning jutsu and rubberband powers early on. However, in Shizu case, do we really know anything regarding her playing style or skill in the field of mahjong early on? Nothing in particular. In fact, we don't know much about how the rest of Achiga ablities and playstyle aside from Kuro in the first few chapters. In your long post, it seems even you admit on this when it comes to Shizu. Quote:
There is this one thing I don't understand regarding Ritz-sensei's writing: why did she choose to put more focus on Kuro's matches in the early chapters instead of the leads like Shizu and Ako. If she wants people to start rooting for Shizu as Saki's future rival she should put more spotlight on her matches. Last edited by teja208; 2013-03-15 at 03:46. |
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You know. The only thing Achiga has done is to showcase how much of a natural disaster is Teru and Saki is indeed her sister. Miyanaga sisters are indeed monsters or demon lords.
That's the only good part that I like in Achiga. Awai doesn't leave up to her hype which disappoints me and really I didn't expect anything from achiga. Only from Shiraitodai that's why when they lost to Achiga. That's a big SHOCK for the fans. But at least its establish that Teru as an enemy is equal to your dead.
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2013-03-15, 14:14 | Link #3354 | |
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Saki Zenkoku-hen Next spring TV anime adaption big confirmation April 25 (Thursday) two volume simultaneous release? April 25 only falls on a Thursday this year, in 2014 the closest Thursday would be April 24. That means it's confirmed for next month. This is a bit unexpected as I would have liked for them to do a full 2-cours. Calling it the "Nationals arc" when it's just a quarterfinals match kinda doesn't match. I guess I'm glad we will be getting more anime so soon, though. I wonder what the "second volume simultaneous release" is talking about. Which second volume? Or is it talking about the ending of Achiga? We still haven't gotten eps. 15 and 16, after all. I guess Ritz's hospitalization made completing the side-b semifinals in time for a 2 cours run out of the question. I wouldn't actually have minded waiting until next April though. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2013-03-15 at 16:37. |
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2013-03-15, 16:53 | Link #3358 |
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Next Spring? Good. I'm fine waiting that long if it ensures Zenkoku-hen will get two cours adaptation (side B quart and semi) down the road. Just hope Ritz can manage to finish the semi on time and taking care of herself not get hospitalized again for a year then everything is well set.
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