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Theowne · 2010-02-26, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

So people who say Apolo only wins by luck, well in short track luck is a factor but the volatile nature of this sport can also play against you as well and it did in this case.

I didn't say Apolo only wins by luck. Just that in this particular event, he was extremely lucky to get into the finals.

And yeah, I think a bump which directly disrupts another skater is judged more harshly than one that happens without any major effect.

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 22:44

Yay NBC.

Let's not show the Women's Short Track 1000m Final live. >_>

Xellos · 2010-02-26, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Theowne

I didn't say Apolo only wins by luck. Just that in this particular event, he was extremely lucky to get into the finals.

And yeah, I think a bump which directly disrupts another skater is judged more harshly than one that happens without any major effect.

The bump on Ohno in the 1000m had a pretty major effect in that it killed his momentum and the Koreans took advantage of it right away. I'm a bit surprised that Ohno was so frank about calling out the Canadian head referee, but his attitude about the incident was good otherwise.

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Xellos

The bump on Ohno in the 1000m had a pretty major effect in that it killed his momentum and the Koreans took advantage of it right away. I'm a bit surprised that Ohno was so frank about calling out the Canadian head referee, but his attitude about the incident was good otherwise.

Probably one of the most politically-tempered call-outs ever, and I applaud him for it. I completely agree with him.

yoropa · 2010-02-26, 22:49

And Canada gets a goal!

Kirarakim · 2010-02-26, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Theowne

I didn't say Apolo only wins by luck. Just that in this particular event, he was extremely lucky to get into the finals.

Okay but that comment wasn't directed at you. I was just speaking in general.

However I do think he got in the finals not just because he was extremely lucky. Falls happen all the time in this sport. And yes when skaters fall it leaves spots open but it also creates obstruction for the other skaters. Apolo in the semi-finals managed to avoid (by skill) a pretty nasty fall.

Karlson · 2010-02-26, 22:57

When you get right down to it, Short Track really is a controversial sport, even moreso than figure skating imo (yes, I know everyone will disagree with me on that

). I think I said quite a few pages back somewhere that anything can happen in Short Track, so there is always (to some degree) a form of luck in that event.

Luck in that sport didn't just start with Ohno, it has always been there.

And Looks like the Men's relay is up next oh joy I wonder what controversy is gonna happen now

Kirarakim · 2010-02-26, 23:04

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Originally Posted by Karlson

When you get right down to it, Short Track really is a controversial sport, even moreso than figure skating imo (yes, I know everyone will disagree with me on that

). I think I said quite a few pages back somewhere that anything can happen in Short Track, so there is always (to some degree) a form of luck in that event.

Luck in that sport didn't just start with Ohno, it has always been there.

Oh I completely agree with you and a judges call can help or hurt you. In this Olympics a judge's call hurt Apolo. But in 2002 it helped him win the gold in the 1500m. In both cases there are disputes over whether the judge's call was fair.

Well Katherine Reutter just made up for Apolo by winning a silver for US in the 1000.

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 23:04

Big congrats to Katherine Reutter there. It's been 16 years since an American girl won an individual short track medal.

Theowne · 2010-02-26, 23:06

This relay is going to be insane. 5 teams at once....

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Theowne

This relay is going to be insane. 5 teams at once....

Same as in Torino.

Looks like American can tie or break the overall medal count record. We're guaranteed two more medals, both team medals. So the individual Americans have to come through and make some more history.

Vexx · 2010-02-26, 23:12

Short Track almost reminds me of Debate tournaments.... so much depends on the mood and compentency of the judge that it is hard to take any of the rankings very seriously.

Kirarakim · 2010-02-26, 23:12

I don't get the relay race at all! It's a bit too confusing for me just a lot of blur of colors.

Karlson · 2010-02-26, 23:15

Oh god I can see the controversy coming with what happened to China.

Well at least this one won't involve the Canadians as far as I know

Theowne · 2010-02-26, 23:16

Gold for Canada in relay!!!

Awesome night for Canadian speedskating!

That was so satisfying to watch.

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 23:17

Damn. Just damn.

Theowne · 2010-02-26, 23:21

The strategy of the Canadian team in relay was just great, worked perfectly. Just...awesome

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Short Track almost reminds me of Debate tournaments.... so much depends on the mood and compentency of the judge that it is hard to take any of the rankings very seriously.

I think this is a pretty huge exaggeration....

JagdPanther · 2010-02-26, 23:26

Well, the Canadians have about as close to a guarantee as you can possibly get to tying the single-games Gold medal record.

They should be the overwhelming favorites in Men's Team Pursuit in Long Track and Men's Curling, and they will almost certainly beat the US in hockey on Sunday.

At least the Americans are pretty much guaranteed to set the single-games overall medal record at this point. We've got 34 now with the Bronze from Short Track Relay, so with Men's Hockey and Men's Team Pursuit in Long Track remaining, the US will tie (barring some catastrophe like the Men's Team Pursuit getting DQ-ed) the overall medal record.

Karlson · 2010-02-26, 23:26

Yeah the switch-up on the exchange was a very good strategy, I didn't know that was allowed in the relay though.

Terrestrial Dream · 2010-02-26, 23:26

Well congratulation to Canada for winning gold, so happy that at least Korea got silver. During the last lap I thought we might not get any medal, but still good result.
Overall all for Korea, 6 Gold, 6 Silver, 2 Bronze, three more than Torino. For a country that had 46 athletes this was a damn good result.

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JagdPanther WE ARE.... PENN STATE.... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nazareth, PA Age: 36	Big congrats to Katherine Reutter there. It's been 16 years since an American girl won an individual short track medal. __________________ A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future. –General George S. Patton, Jr. Avatar v. 37.0: Fighter Squadron 31. The VF-31 "Tomcatters."

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Short Track almost reminds me of Debate tournaments.... so much depends on the mood and compentency of the judge that it is hard to take any of the rankings very seriously. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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yoropa Director Join Date: Feb 2010	And Canada gets a goal!

2010-02-26, 22:57	Link #487
Karlson Jumping...is useless! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 39	When you get right down to it, Short Track really is a controversial sport, even moreso than figure skating imo (yes, I know everyone will disagree with me on that ). I think I said quite a few pages back somewhere that anything can happen in Short Track, so there is always (to some degree) a form of luck in that event. Luck in that sport didn't just start with Ohno, it has always been there. And Looks like the Men's relay is up next oh joy I wonder what controversy is gonna happen now

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Karlson Jumping...is useless! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 39	Oh god I can see the controversy coming with what happened to China. Well at least this one won't involve the Canadians as far as I know

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Theowne 耳をすませば Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 34	Gold for Canada in relay!!! Awesome night for Canadian speedskating! That was so satisfying to watch. __________________ My Site - Reviews collection, Sheet music, and etc. Anime reviews/blog, piano arrangements, Studio Ghibli..

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JagdPanther WE ARE.... PENN STATE.... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nazareth, PA Age: 36	Damn. Just damn. __________________ A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future. –General George S. Patton, Jr. Avatar v. 37.0: Fighter Squadron 31. The VF-31 "Tomcatters."

2010-02-26, 23:26	Link #498
JagdPanther WE ARE.... PENN STATE.... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nazareth, PA Age: 36	Well, the Canadians have about as close to a guarantee as you can possibly get to tying the single-games Gold medal record. They should be the overwhelming favorites in Men's Team Pursuit in Long Track and Men's Curling, and they will almost certainly beat the US in hockey on Sunday. At least the Americans are pretty much guaranteed to set the single-games overall medal record at this point. We've got 34 now with the Bronze from Short Track Relay, so with Men's Hockey and Men's Team Pursuit in Long Track remaining, the US will tie (barring some catastrophe like the Men's Team Pursuit getting DQ-ed) the overall medal record. __________________ A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future. –General George S. Patton, Jr. Avatar v. 37.0: Fighter Squadron 31. The VF-31 "Tomcatters."

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Karlson Jumping...is useless! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 39	Yeah the switch-up on the exchange was a very good strategy, I didn't know that was allowed in the relay though.

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Terrestrial Dream 勇者 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tesla Leicht Institute Age: 34	Well congratulation to Canada for winning gold, so happy that at least Korea got silver. During the last lap I thought we might not get any medal, but still good result. Overall all for Korea, 6 Gold, 6 Silver, 2 Bronze, three more than Torino. For a country that had 46 athletes this was a damn good result. __________________