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2007-09-23, 19:21 | Link #482 |
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A third series'll certainly be nice, since there's still too much left unknown, but it'll suck if another kira looks like occurs, then we have 4 superman lol.
I hate how now everyone seems to have that "super mode" where they get those funny eyes and go into pwnage mode, with that animation of the seed breaking, then they further overkill it by making some cheap beam that comes out of nowhere and restores the mobil suits energy in like two seconds, fricken hax.
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2007-09-23, 20:51 | Link #483 |
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Ummm. you do mean 'SEED MODE' right? Because the way you said "super mode'" seems super weird..... and cheap Not everyone got SEED mode. Only Kira, Athrun. Cagalli, Lacus and Shinn have it. Even if it so, only Kira and Athrun can control it. Cagalli went into SEED once, while it is unconfirmed (by the SEED creative (?) team) that Lacus have SEED mode. Shinn went into SEED mode only in rage. I repeat, SHINN WENT INTO SEED MODE ONLY IN RAGE. They don't further overkill it by making some cheap beam comes out of nowhere, They just making FREEDOM seems like the god of all GUNDAMs. Forget the fact that the guy cries every two seconds for killing a man.... The energy thingy? Well, have you ever heard the term TECHNOLOGY? IN this era, everything is fast. Get it? FAST. It's logic that they can recharge the battery in like 2 seconds (or whatever seconds) Seriously, are you really clueless about the background of SEED? Because I think, most of us here at least know a thing or two about its background; not just the characters' development. My advice, read WIKI (even though I don't really believe all the crap in it.....) |
2007-09-26, 09:30 | Link #484 |
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As wiki could be edited by just anybody, it is a rather wise decision to stay away from it at all costs if you could.
Also, everything in this era just totally "owns". I mean, grunts suddenly become so powerless against anything that suspiciously looks like a Gundam, and all their technology pales to the technology possessed by the main heroes and it also seems like the show is saying that good can only come if you're VERY technologically advanced and it doesn't matter if you have the talent needed in order to actually make sense out of the fighting that occurs in this series. In some way, having SEED really does equate in being a "super mode" - forget the supposed higher awareness that people experience during SEED, going against a SEED person will always have that unfortunate victim lose even if the supposed heightened awareness "helped" them in a way. Also, SEED just randomly appears out of nowhere. And sometimes in situations wherein SEED could not be achieved, or rather, in situations where SEED is not needed at all. SEED exists just to make the lead characters look cool. The technology does not even make sense. I mean, if a guy could survive getting hit by an antimatter beam, I guess it will. In that world, anyway. At least in the 1st SEED, their armor makes sense, because it was the start of the real war using real Gundams, and that it was well advanced for its time. Then halfway, it suddenly became very clear that in order to win a war, one really NEEDS Gundams, and everything else does not matter - whether you're talented, have the right brains needed in order to get the job done without actually succumbing to convenient irregularities of technology, or even have real reason to go against a whole fleet of Gundams because they're just conveniently "disabling" off MS so as not to make them fight and normal rules of space survival does not apply - and of course, they also needed to survive. I think this was what NakedAngelX was talking about. Ehem. Spoiler for wall of text:
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Kira is so different from Shinn that if they were to exchange positions, he would have behaved totally differently. In fact, they're so dissimilar that it's awfully hard to see how they could even end up in the same positions. Athrun is much more similar to Shinn, but they're still different in fundamental ways.
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1 The pilot may die without proper medical treatment 2 The pilot will become a lab rat Im quite sure with Kira's good natured ways, that he would taken the same course of action as shinn did. But if he did would he received the same negative response as shinn has? And i think this is what Eidolon Sniper was trying to say when she mentioned about kira and shinn swapping places, but didnt quite come out the right way. But i could be wrong here.. (TBH i beleive Kira and Co returning lacus the daughter of the President back to ZAFT is far more STUPID then Shinn returning steller a pilot back to EAF) |
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We can directly compare this with how Kira returned Lacus. Did he bust her out of there, using his godly coordinator powers to knock everyone in his way out? No - he snuck her out as best he could during the ship's off-hours. When his friends found him out, Kira did not look like fighting was on his mind at all. Both characters were doing what they thought was right. In Kira's case, I believe that it appealed to more viewers that Kira was doing what was right, while in Shinn's case, I get the impression that only a minority of viewers felt that Shinn was doing what was right. That all has to do with how everything was being portrayed - Lacus' usage as a hostage was portrayed in a very negative light, while Stellar's treatment was given overall neutral portrayal - if anything, you get the idea that whether she's with ZAFT or returned to the Earth Alliance, she's screwed (I felt that she had better chances with ZAFT, myself). Regardless of which group you fall into, Shinn's methodology implies arrogance and brute power, while Kira's showed a sort of innocence revealing his desire to avoid and end conflict. Kira's methodology was much more appealing. With that said, had Kira performed the return of Stellar in the way that he performed the return of Lacus, I do not believe that he would have received the criticism that Shinn had. But had Kira acted the way that Shinn did in the return of Lacus, I don't believe that his characterization in that part of the series would have had such appeal. Quote:
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But then right and wrongs of characters actions in their current situation are different from each individual viewer. But it doesnt help Shinn that steller is incapicatated and strap down to a bed moniterd by medical staff. So its a case where he had to use force to get her out. So what would kira do if there were guards standing outside lacus door?, or his friends betrayed him and notified the captain or the Captain orders to use force (non lethal) to stop kira? But we all know this didnt happen. But its unfortunate the directors didnt put up a decent attempt to try to put some basic military procedures when it comes to prisoners or confinements. But ignoring some of these simple miltary procedures does help to make kira look right. So when you remove the simple little things it does help the producers to make a character look right or wrong. At the same time i also know this show is not ment to be realistic. But it does make me scratch my head thinking what would happen to the charcters if RL military procedures were implemented to the show. Quote:
Having a daughter of the President your currently at war with (ZAFT) could be a greater tool to achieve EAF goals (Politically) then a soldier who can be expendable at any time on the battlefield. You can force the president to make decisions that will have a negative impact to his nation and councilmen. This may lead to leadership questioning if he does accept EAF terms as well it could question his popularity to the public if he doesnt comply considering that lacus is a idolised singer and may reflect his next election if harm has been done to lacus. A soldier who is effective is a tool in war regardless of role he plays... A skilled machine gunner can shoot down low flyin plane.. A skilled tank gunner can shoot down helicopters with their main canon. But at the end a soldier is a soldier. A country/nation can get enlisted men/women from anywhere. But not everyone is related to a political figure like a president. So in this case Lacus is more valuable than a soldier as a hostage/prisoner. Ledgum i see where your coming from but i try to look at the other side of the coin. But sometimes it is hard for me to seperate reality to fiction sometimes. But im just voicing my opinions here and no flamin intended |
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So Shinn returns her to the Earth Alliance, because they're the ones who essentially created her, and the ones who'd know how to restore her health. That's great and wonderfully short-sighted. Shinn witnessed first-hand the facility where the Earth Alliance was terrible enough to perform all of the experiments in the first place, and to create such "living weapons" - to return Stellar and expect that they'd just restore her and let her live on without fighting anymore was incredibly naive. It was also very foolish, as it cost a city and a number of lives at the hands of the Destroy, piloted by Stellar. Quote:
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2007-10-02, 23:06 | Link #494 |
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Really? I thought Amelia Earhart just got lost....O.o;;
@ 4Tran Really? Well, I wouldn't want to drag the Philippine scenario in here, but that is similar to what happened in real life. And we were bashed by Bush about it, I think. so yes, there ARE instances that happen wherein countries could actually go against their supposed beliefs at the expense of people involved - saving one life against the majority of all those people who are thinking otherwise. And I am pretty sure we (as in Filipinos who think that way in the light of what happened just then) are just a small number who think otherwise, and "cold" at that. Anyway, the issue here is simply the effects that particular random act of kindness could do to future decisions later - if people expect to be saved every single time they're going to get pulled out of their homes to serve as hostages, then there would be no end for people to do just that because they know governments would be willing to trade the lives of their constituents for any darn reason that they could very well think of. Or something that could even actually derail their policies or ideals even more. @ Ledgem Shinn was in effect doing all those things in the military context, that is why everything about what Shinn did is essentially wrong. Kira did all those things because it was seen through the civilian context, so perhaps he could be better forgiven for what he did as "he didn't know any better". If Kira was in Shinn's situation, everything would change. Also, Shinn is actually Kira who just had a very bad day - you could say that the 4th ending song of Destiny showed Shinn's character's parallelism to Kira's except they were made to grow up in different circumstances; Shinn = military, Kira = civilian. Shinn didn't want anything like that to happen, he seriously believed he was fighting for his ideals, and he was fighting for his ideals until the latter half of Destiny made it that way. He joined ZAFT to protect the memory of his sister and protect others from not having the same bad experience he had during the last war and use his own power to protect them - he knew he didn't have much, that is why he knows he has to go all out to protecting them especially seen in the Athrun Saviored ep. Kira essentially joined EA in order to protect his friends from the war simply because he knows that only he has the power to do so. Forget Shinn and Kira for a moment. It simply boils down to a simple point - they both wanted to protect their loved ones and people from experiencing the harsh realities of war, or some other damn thing. That is why they are similar in such aspects - that is maybe the reason why Athrun wanted them to meet each other.
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2007-10-03, 09:53 | Link #497 |
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Hey i got a quick seed destiny question, i didnt want to waste a new thread on it, and i hope im not spamming this thread, if so just delete this.
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Since you seem to be in Canada, YTV should be about halfway through its broadcast. It's probably been completely dubbed into English by now since that version of Destiny seems to have started its Phillipines broadcast last year.
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yeah GSD english was seen on cn phils last june 06 & besides the phils was the 1st to show GSD english so hurray for the pinoy to see GSD in english 1st also that dvd of GSD was on sale since march 06 with a new volume coming every 2 months with the next in nov.
& besides it takes 2 years to GSD in english from GSD jap in 04 to GSD english in 06
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