2008-07-29, 08:03 | Link #181 | |
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The movie's a retelling of the first season, you say? So that means we're gonna see the whole Nanoha vs Fate thing going on again. The only problem I slightly have with the series is that...no one dies. People bleed enough to cover the floor, and yet they're fine in the end. I guess that's not too bad, after all, I'm a sucker for happy endings. |
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2008-07-29, 08:05 | Link #182 | |||
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*Watches on while hugging Vivio* Fate-fans are weird people.
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By the looks of it, Nanoha's familly and Arisa and Suzuka are going to get the brunt of the ommiting, being that they weren't really important to the plot (Arisa discovering Arf is easy to work around). What is going to be really hard to properly display somewhat realistically is Nanoha's leaps in strength. In the series, they could use the "X-amount of time has passed between episodes" but timeskips in movies often feel weird. The Jewel Seed hunt also needs to be shortened immensely, probably catching all they need in a few flashes or the like. However, while this does serve to shorten the anime, it still hasn't fixed the problem that Nanoha feels far more like a Magical Girl anime then the other seasons. Changes in plot that could fix this would be Chrono ariving sooner, or even Yuuno being send as a front officer of the TSAB himself, send to recruit people (random ideas, don't take them too seriously). |
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2008-07-29, 08:05 | Link #183 |
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At least people aren't dying then being miraculously resurrected, and I thank Haruhi for that!
@Keroko: Cos I feel weird hugging Erio; I'm nowhere as clingy as my dad. I'm better at patting his head for a job well done in StrikerS despite semi-shaftage though.
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2008-07-29, 08:32 | Link #184 | ||
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And fiction is as complicated as the creators decide to make it. In the end everything turns out quite simplistic, usually, every story following the same base structure. Heroes and villains, a beginning, middle and end. Either character or events drive the story. Quote:
And there are plenty of films that handle time skips very well, indeed I remember a film that went had short snippets in reverse order (the lead had short term memory loss) with a massive revelation at the end (or rather, beginning). It was a masterpiece. |
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2008-07-29, 08:56 | Link #186 | |||||
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This is why a StrikerS movie would have made more sense if it was for the sake of romance, sure there's the relationship chart, but that's hardly as important is an actual scene in the anime (you can even say that the movie is setd after the chart). Right now, if they really make this movie because of the romance, it'd definetely be AU, as every other source (anime, manga and soundstages) would contradict it in some way or the other. Quote:
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This is why I believe they'll make it AU instead of a simple remake, they can change far more that way and make a good flowing and interesting story that doesn't leave you with question marks that are only answered if you go watch the original, which means going through the same story again, only this time at a dreadfully slow pace. The first season of Nanoha can be quite off-putting for non-magical girl fans due to its low speed and overly magical girlness. Allright, I'll retract that stament then. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-07-29 at 09:18. |
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2008-07-29, 09:17 | Link #187 | ||||
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This is because the author has gone and done all the hard thinking before they started writing, even if it wouldn't feature directly in the story. Orson Scott Card says again and again that any author that hasn't set themselves down and given much thought to the world creation process for Sci-Fi or Fantasy before they started writing their story will show through as a cheater, because readers are far from stupid, and I wholeheartedly agree. Before I write a word of prose I spend quite a while considering important facts, but when I go and write my story, I don't make a big deal over them, I don't go and yell in the faces of my readers that I've spent time working around the impossibility of FTL travel, because, for one, I'd look entirely self-absorbed (and foolish as many will have come up with far better ideas to work around it than mine), and secondly, because they will be able to tell, subconsciously, that the work has been done. They will be able to trust what I write without the reason being forced down their throats. Quote:
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2008-07-29, 09:35 | Link #188 | |||
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To bring the argument full circle: I believe this story is not going to be a mere re-telling, but an AU project. Fans will be treated to gracious scenes, and perhaps even an 'I love you' from their favourite mages, but its not going to replace what we've seen before. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-07-29 at 13:48. |
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2008-07-29, 10:01 | Link #189 | |||
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2008-07-29, 10:10 | Link #191 |
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*Comar sweatdrops at Kero and Preston*
Personally I hope it is an AU, and I don't care if the die-hard Yuuno fans regard it as such when arguing against NanoFate; the point is it exists and it's an official--if not the official--continuity instead of something fan-made. ...you go ahead and wait for that.
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2008-07-29, 10:25 | Link #196 | ||
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Nya? We were just having a fun debate. Or at least I was. |
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2008-07-29, 10:27 | Link #197 |
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Didn't seem all that fun from this angle; seemed kinda like a debate only a few precarious steps away from a full-blown arguement/potential flamefest. Maybe it had something to do with NanoFate getting worked into the discussion...
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2008-07-29, 10:29 | Link #198 | |||||
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Nanoha sure looks serious-looking, kind of tomboyish too with her new hair. In fact, I wonder if Nanoha will keep her kind "befriending" personaility or replace it with a "mean" "serious-business" "lets be friends but lets do some serious business first" personality. Does anyone sort of agree? Or am I just looking at Nanoha at the wrong angle
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Bardiche, well, it's just a talking device to me, only thing I can picture him being is him(Bardiche). Anyway, I liked his voice, I like the device, female voice = Completely changing the character. Well, even though Bardiche isn't really a "major character", turning him female is completely changing him. I'm too used to Bardiche, and like others, I like his "character" and his voice so. changing him is something I don't like. Quote:
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The Nanoha and Yuuno friend relationship was nice. |
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2008-07-29, 10:32 | Link #199 | |
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Probably, things always get a little less objective when opinions enter the fray, and since NanoFate is all about opinions, it quickly became a battle of subjectivity and opinions. |
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2008-07-29, 10:33 | Link #200 |
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I am neutral on the subject of Yuuno. On the one hand, he's an obstacle to NanoFate and OBSTACLES ARE FOR SMASHING! On the other hand he's a fairly cool mage in his own right; he needs a Crowning Moment of Awesome or two to remind us all that he's an Ace in his own right, able to stand on level ground with the Wolkenritter and Nanoha herself... even if he's not doing much attacking while he's standing on said ground.
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