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Perfect 10 | 6 | 24.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 5 | 20.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 24.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 32.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2017-03-15, 00:14 | Link #181 | |
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My bet is that he's afraid that if he doesn't live up to that role he will be hounded by Iok's men 24/7 possibly leading to him committing suicide |
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2017-03-15, 00:18 | Link #182 | |
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However, I've actually thought from the beginning that in order to fix Gjallarhorn, you would have to scrap all remnants of the Seven Stars. I thought that Macky would fake his own death in order to accomplish this. However, in a way, Rustal helped remove that problem by separating him from the Seven Stars altogether. Doing that, he's now just like all the outsiders and now you can really just do an entire clean slate wipe of that part of the organization. The only thing I can think of for him, if he is still set on his goals, is to cause the collapse of all of Gjallarhorn, and then to raise something else up in its wake. Basically for him to become like Agnika and create something totally new. It would be a much, much harder path for him to take, and he would have to rethink a whole lot of things, but it could indeed be possible. I think if you get rid of Rustal and much of the stranglehold that he has over everyone, Macky would actually have a lot more people on his side. Right now, everyone's afraid, and thus the reason he and Tekkadan have lost a lot of their support.
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2017-03-15, 00:22 | Link #183 |
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Dammit! I was thinking the only way for McGillis to turn it around would be to somehow get Rustal (or Gaelio fighting in his stead) into a one on one duel but he's not technically in Gjhallarhorn anymore so he can't call on the Old Gjhallarhorn ways. He's screwed lol. Even a mobile armor can't save him. Literally a no win scenario.
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2017-03-15, 00:28 | Link #184 | |
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Of course, it could be possible that Iok wanted so much to prove himself that he went down to kill McGillis himself without Rustal's permission. He's done that before (to everyone's detriment). I can see him saying "That illegitimate commoner can't get the best of me, who is of noble blood. I will show the world that I don't even need anything special to defeat him. I will show him what a person with real nobility can do!" And I could also see him trying to challenge Macky to a duel similarly to what Carta tried to do. McGillis would either take up the challenge to show Bael's might, or he would fight dirty now that he no longer has a position to uphold.
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2017-03-15, 01:30 | Link #186 | |
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2017-03-15, 03:27 | Link #187 | |
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2017-03-15, 05:45 | Link #188 |
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I actually wonder what exactly Gaelio wants. To bring McGillis down, yes, but what after that? He doesn't seem to care much about Tekkadan anymore (probably thinks they're just being played by McGillis?), and we have yet to get anything concrete about what he thinks of Rustal and what he plans to do after his revenge. Moreover, he looked upset and even angry in the PV, which maybe, just maybe, give hope, however fleeting.
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2017-03-15, 08:26 | Link #189 | |
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I'm sure McGillis thought about about Gaelio at least a couple times during that time, but his mind was constantly on his many other plans and duties. Gali? Every thought and action he did was influenced by McGillis in some way. So, what happens after Macky is gone? Gaelio has not once really talked about his family, has gone to see to them even after announcing himself. Has not really spared much in terms of talking about his plans for the future. Nothing about his position in Gjallarhorn or being the heir of his family. My thing is, if you don't like Macky's plan in getting rid of corruption enough to fight to the death to stop him, then what's YOUR plan in how to deal with it? What are YOU going to do? It doesn't help that you are furthering said corruption by advancing Rustal's schemes. What are you going to do after this Gaelio?
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2017-03-15, 21:02 | Link #190 | |
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2017-03-16, 00:37 | Link #191 | |
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He knows what Gjarllerhorn is, and that its corrupt, HOWEVER he has not seen the true depth of the corruption that we, the omnipresent audience, has seen displayed in the Arianhod fleet and other branches of the Gjallerhorn command. From what Gaelio, emphasis on the character himself, has seen, McGillis is the bigger threat than the current corruption. Gaelio views Macky as a hypocrite, not only being the corruption he preached against in the time that he lied to/betrayed him, but also a murderer, a mastermind behind a plot to seize the top of Gjallerhorn. People seem to forget that its not just Gjallerhorn in the universe, there are 4 economically powerful Earth blocks (who are more or less the economy of the entire Earth sphere and Gjallerhorn itself) that Gjallerhorn oversee and settle disputes between. If someone like McGillis would to take over GJallerhorn, it would be quite possible that he could seize control of the entire Earth with nobody to stop him (as the economic blocks are nowhere near as strong in their military). Siding with Rustal is merely siding with the only force that has the power capable of stopping him. Its not as much about revenge as it is about stopping a crazy power hungry mastermind that could potentially topple and seize control of the whole world while throwing everything completely out of whack. Dudes still a good guy at heart with good intentions, but he's still very naive in many ways. He's a pawn yes, but he's done so willingly because he thinks its a sacrifice he has to make for what he considers the greater good If anything I want Gaelio to be one of the last ones standing on the Glallerhorn side when the dust settles, out of the Seven Stars, he has the most potential to put things back on course properly McGillis, Rustal and Iok has got to go though, I think the majority watching the show can agree on that much at least |
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2017-03-16, 00:43 | Link #192 | |
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2017-03-16, 01:27 | Link #193 | |
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I honestly would be happy with just wiping out the Seven Stars entirely, including Gaelio. That whole power structure should go. I don't think I can trust Gaelio to have a good enough plan to restructure things, rather than just setting up the same system again, simply because it's familiar, and it "works". And, I kind of want Macky to live, if just to stick it to Iznario's smug face. Could he even visit him in the mountains and shoot him dead too? Is that piece of filth's death too much to ask? I mean, he looks way too comfortable in that mountain mansion.
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2017-03-16, 02:28 | Link #194 | |
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You could call it selfish. I wish he was more self-aware about the fact he only cares about himself and his personal friends. But not many people would be OK with turning the other cheek after what McGillis did to him, even for a supposed greater good. |
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2017-03-16, 11:04 | Link #195 |
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There is also the fact that Gerlio simply couldn't work for McGillis after blonde tries to screw Bauduin's heir. Once he reveal his true identy. Mackie would immideatelly try to kill him to keep him shut. So, in addition to his other goals, Gali NEEDs to get rid of McGilis if he just wants to stay alive.
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2017-03-16, 11:46 | Link #196 |
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It's also worth remembering that what McGillis did to Ein was irredeemably monstrous.
Setting Carta up to die: Bad. Trying to kill Gaelio: Bad. What McGillis did to Ein, someone who Gaelio was close to? Really actually pretty unspeakable.
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2017-03-16, 11:58 | Link #197 |
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And didnt Gaelio asked for Ein to get surgery and the option is AV implants. All McGillis was upsell it to Gaelio who could turn around and say no.
Another concern is Almiria and Rustal picking up the pieces I mean does Rustal wven have a wife? Never do we see him with a spouse or a child amd now he has mostly won. He is going to ask Gallus to marry off Almiria to him
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2017-03-16, 12:05 | Link #198 | |
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Gaelio wanted Ein's life to be saved. McGillis took advantage of his desperation and persuaded him around to AV surgery -- what McGillis deliberately left out was that Ein was going to have most of his limbs removed and stuck in a tank inside a giant mobile suit. You can't put the blame on Gaelio for that. Apart from the fact that he wasn't thinking straight, he thought he was agreeing to 'regular Ein but he's got an AV whisker sticking out of his neck' not 'monstrosity who's only fit for killing.' Ein got noticeably crazier after McGillis did that, too, and honestly, who can blame him. And then, just to make things worse, McGillis reveals to Gaelio that he planned to scapegoat Ein as a monster all along. Again, you can't blame Gaelio for that. Gaelio is being short-sighted (and also super-hypocritical right now), but honestly, McGillis deserves every iota of moral revulsion that Gaelio has for him.
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2017-03-16, 15:58 | Link #199 | |
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First there was the fact that Ein wanted AV before all this got started, but Gaelio kept saying he shouldn't. So the idea was already in Gali's head. Then the doctors told him that might be the only way to save Ein's life. So, further compounding the idea in his head even if he was adamant to say no. But by then, there was no other way unless he just wanted Ein to stay on life support. My the time McGillis was there to manipulate him, the idea had already been swimming in Gaelio's head. McGillis pushed the idea further, deciding to take advantage of the situation. Ever pragmatic, to him it was an easy decision. Ein was going to die anyway unless he got AV, might as well try the new experimental adult version. And at least then, he could get some information from it. And it wasn't like he had planned to use Ein all along. It was Ein's own decision to go turn himself into a human shield for the second time in a row. Macky didn't put him on that spot. McGillis took advantage of the aftermath of a bad situation. (it does make me wonder what his plan was originally before Ein went and got impaled though?) So he manipulated Gaelio by pushing the AV. And even in this, he basically just told Gaelio the truth about Gjallarhorn. That it got it's start in using AV and that mechanical modifications were not always taboo. Yet, despite this, it WAS Gaelio's decision in the end. If he was not always such a weak follower, he might have stuck to his guns, or like most people he could have researched it himself, asked some questions about what was going on in the procedure, all of that, before making the decision. I'm going to guess he didn't do that. But still it was his decision and he made it. You could say he totally trusted Macky's word, but considering the huge decision over a man's life that he was making, I think he could have done some research on his own. I love my own best friend, but I still take time to research any info she tells me that I might want to utilize for making my own decisions. The car salesman can badger and psuedo-manipulate you all he wants into buying a cool car that turns out to be a clunker. But in the end, it is your decision to make in buying it. The serpent can tell Adam all he wants that the fruit of the tree will make him like God, but the man made the choice in eating it. And like in both those examples, the person who made the choice has to live with the consequences, and they are also at fault, no matter the manipulations of another or that the thing they thought they agreed to, didn't turn out the way they thought. I think the way Ein turned out was a mixture of both the AV and the fact that he was practically bifurcated in the fight. By the time Gali made up his mind, his limbs probably couldn't be saved, and when you have people like that red-head mechanic who like to do their work, they thought their answer to the problem was "brilliant". Put a "waterbowl" life support system connecting organic to non-organic and have it all threaded together using the AV system. McGillis is a lot of things, but I don't think an engineer is one of them. So, I don't think he told them to put him in the permanent attached state he was in, if simply because that wouldn't help him as he didn't want to be in such a state himself. But of course doctors and mechanics were given the decision to save his life at any cost, and they did. So, long story short. The blame lies with McGillis who manipulated the situation in his favor and used Ein for his own goals, as well as Gaelio who in the end, made the final decision. Ein's craziness is a result of his own obsession that he couldn't let go of, even before getting AV. AV affects the brain in all cases, so I think that even if it had been the alleyway Mars version, Ein would have still gone as insane.
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2017-03-16, 17:43 | Link #200 |
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Irene has the right of it. For all of McGillis suggesting the usage of the Alaya-Vijnana System on Ein, he did indeed leave the choice to Gaelio. He also simply told him straight out what the truth behind that system was. And Ein would've died anyway without it... never mind the fact that Ein was already considering having it done, much like Kudelia considered it. Ein was already going off the deep end, and let's not forget that he was overjoyed at having underwent the procedure. You can't hold that entirely to McGillis.
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