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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 8 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 44 | 40.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 12.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 9.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.85% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.85% | |
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2008-11-20, 11:26 | Link #41 | ||
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Then Ryuuji is not a "thing", so she obviously can't "take" him, can she? The whole class was throwing each other into the pool at that time, so that's a silly joke that they as the whole failed to notice. Quote:
You said Kitamura and Ami have already expected Taiga is treating Ryuuji as a dog (literally) and Ryuuji accepts it? The only one who doesn't mind such words is Minori because she doesn't take things so serious all the time
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2008-11-20, 11:38 | Link #42 |
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frubam, did Ami knew that Taiga cannot swim? I think she didn't thats why the whole thing is not as bad (yeah a joke but it happens, as if you haven't been pushed into a pool/water at least once). While Taiga pulling off her bikini was intended and knowing full cruelty of that. they are bit different so you cant compare those two acts.
Too bad that some interesting bits were ignored oh well, can't put everything into it, I guess. Specilly not with such ridiculous pace. Mind you taht even in anime-terms such the way Taiga is acting looks weird and rather abusing to others. Remember that Ami questioned why actually Ryuuji allows Taiga so much. Meaning taht she thinks Taiga is going overboard and yet Ryuuji allows her which she wonders why. So even in anime standards Taiga's acts are not nice. |
2008-11-20, 12:06 | Link #43 |
Senpai, we musn't!!!
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Loved this episode. Especially with the brief underwater combat, followed by a bikini top being ripped off somewhere in there
Also could this Be the next ? Last edited by Avacado Burger; 2008-11-20 at 12:08. Reason: Size of image |
2008-11-20, 12:07 | Link #44 | |||
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I'm saying that they understand that Taiga cares for Ryuuji more than her words normally express. As far as Minorin goes, Taiga has already expressed how much Ryuuji does for her, which is why Minorin "left it" to Ryuuji. Ami and Kitamura has observed it as well. Quote:
As for Ami asking Ryuuji about Taiga's treatment of him, that was 2 eps ago, when Ami didn't even know Ryuuji or Taiga, nor their relationship. Actually, it was the first time they[Ryuuji/Taiga] acted normally in front of each other in front of her[Ami], so of course she's gonna wonder why Ryuuji accepts it. I feel that since Ami, now, understands the relationship between those two, she knows the reason(or at least ventures a guess). |
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2008-11-20, 12:53 | Link #46 | |
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2008-11-20, 13:03 | Link #47 |
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Just because Taiga is an idiot over Kitamura doesn't make Ami worse. Actually Ami thinks that Taiga likes Ryuuji and not Kitamura so she didn't even thought it would hurt her so badly.
You have to understand that even in anime such relationship as Taiga/Ryuuji is viewed as not normal and abusive (thats why Ami questioned it). Later she got used to it. But it doesn't mean such relationship becomes normal. Taiga still abuses and uses him and his kindness. Only Ryuuji can put up with her. This is not a normal relationship between friends. It is very dysfunctional. It is like relationship between sadist and masochistic. Both are enjoying and others tolerate it to a certain level, but it is still different from what a normal a normal relationship is (be it friends or lovers). Ayu - gratefulness is one thing, possessiveness is completely different one. The scale of intensity is different so I think you are making a illogical mistake connecting the gratefulness with such possessiveness as we see in the pool. Note I do not question the feelings. though their existence was showed mare vague than in novels in manga you can't question them in total. The question is about the itensity and it does not match the reaction to Ami and the reaction in here. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2008-11-20 at 13:19. |
2008-11-20, 15:02 | Link #48 |
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Another great episode. Really, I just can't stop loving every second and minute of this show!
I especially like how this was an analyze-everything-about-Ryuuji-episode. In every one-on-one conversation he had--Ami, Minori, Yasuko--they all picked and probed at him, pulling out little bits of himself to see with his own eyes. Like many people though, it takes him a while to understand the bits of himself everybody is pointing at and only starts to get an inkling of what he feels when he hands over the lunchbox to Taiga. Despite the confusing argument the day before, he stops trying to presume what she wants and tells her that he wants her to win and suddenly realizes there might be other things he wants as well. And Taiga. She always knew what she wanted until now. First there was the students in the class pool talking about how she's competing for Ryuuji. A little shock but she seems to brush it off. It's not till later on at the public pool is she forced to seriously consider what exactly she is doing. As long as she has something to help keep her afloat, she's able to swim just fine, she actually has a chance of winning and beating Ami. She can win; she can have... what exactly? What she does have is that moment we all experience some point in our lives where we realize we don't know exactly what we want. The last few moments at the public pool was a violently beautiful scene: one that conveys the abruptness of a sudden halt in one's life. Maybe Taiga screaming at the class not to touch Ryuuji because he's hers seems a bit sudden, sometimes our emotions are too subtle even for ourselves until they break out like that. Besides, since when has Taiga ever been the kind to keep her emotions under control? Ami is a beautiful enigma--in more ways than one. I think she continues to slowly and subtly shed her fake personality. She's never been more openly spiteful and mean spirited then when she tells Taiga that she will be all alone during the summer. Showing off her bikini at the class pool was also an excellent display of public narcissism. Then there's how she... does whatever the hell she's doing with/to Ryuuji! He seems to be the only guy she can genuinely open up to: telling him the conditions she finds peace and comfort in is a fairly intimate subject, I think. She also enjoys teasing him about Taiga as well. But what's her angle with all of this? Is she genuinely trying to approach him as a friend--or even more than that? Or is she laying down a web to trap Ryuuji and Taiga, tangling the two in the confusion of their own feelings and emotions before perhaps tearing that web apart? And finally: I absolutely loved how Taiga has no compunctions about fighting dirty |
2008-11-20, 15:13 | Link #49 |
Beautiful fighter.
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I wouldn't say most interesting, though she does have a strong input in the show --- a lot more then you'd expect after her first scene in the first episode. I'm really glad about this really, because she is a fun character.
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2008-11-20, 15:17 | Link #50 |
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Broke down and watched a raw..... I believe Caster13 described my observations so I won't bother repeating them
For an "anime episode", it had quite a high density of information and content.
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2008-11-20, 15:51 | Link #51 | |
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So, naturally, I wouldn't be surprised if Ya-chan's got some more wisdom to share with Ryuuji and Taiga. |
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2008-11-20, 16:41 | Link #52 |
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Not really. In the heat of things, nobody noticed it. That's basically the most alarming thing, really: if Taiga hadn't seen him going down, he could have died right then and there.
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2008-11-20, 17:00 | Link #53 |
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Yacchan wisdom: Even if its only "he was what he was and I loved him anyway, he was special to me".
She probably had to work her way into her gangster love's defensive shells as well.
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2008-11-20, 17:44 | Link #54 | |
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If she kept her emotions in control then this whole outburst here should have downplayed as we know she did and the situations were similar in a sense for her to yell "He is mine". Since she didn't yell there she should not have yelled in here as well. She could let those feelings be known in some other, just anime way because they already did that to the whole Ami deal. The should have kept consistency and do it in their own way if they are doing it, if they are not then they should not change events that are chained with a row of events eventually. |
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2008-11-20, 18:25 | Link #55 | |
Go to DMC! Go to DMC!
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And the anime doesn't show Taiga treating Ryuuji like a dog in a literal sense - she rails verbal abuse on him, but at the same time he can push back.... and that's one th ing that the anime dropped from the sources that I disagree with. Of course, people with poor relationships might not understand that you can insult one another in a friendly manner... |
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2008-11-20, 18:32 | Link #56 | |
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While I did find the way Taiga cried over the top (Christ, the way she screamed, you'd think he actually died!), it was a touching moment for me. True, she did then go back to the whole "Dog and his master" thing, but that just suggests to me a way of saving face in front of Ami, her eternal nemesis.
Also, I've noticed Minori calling Ryuuji "Akechi-kun". What does that mean? Quote:
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2008-11-20, 19:10 | Link #57 | |
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I always say "Wassup dog" to my friends. I call just about all of my friends 'dogs' . Yeah bad joke, i know .
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You don't present anything to the table to counter what I said. It almost makes me want to stoop to your level, but you're not worth it. Her 'bitching' is okay, because I understand her circumstances and know of her char. However, I DON'T take to people who I don't even know or associate with(even on a forum level) talking to me like that. I've been pretty much at odds with how Darknemo thinks about the Taiga situation, amongst other things, but at least s/he has constructive posts to argue/counterargue what I'm saying, and I respect that. Your personal attack toward me w/o any intelligent reason does nothing but make you look like an ass. If you don't have anything constructive to add, don't reply to my posts. Last edited by xris; 2008-11-21 at 04:24. Reason: Please report such posts instead of replying :) |
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2008-11-20, 19:25 | Link #58 | |
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You wrote out everything that's been on my mind after rewatching this episode twenty times over. And Dark, I really don't see how you can call Taiga's outburst random, especially after Caster's explanation here. Besides, what's wrong with random? If it wasn't random it'd be predictable.
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2008-11-20, 19:30 | Link #59 |
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Some people are just not seeing what other people see as emotional cues and shifts as the series develops. I don't know if that's cultural, experiential, their subtlety skills, or what.
In my case, my subjective view is that I see a steady development in the RxT saga and the poolside scene was just an semi-epiphany for her. (though I'll also critique that I think the VA overdid it somewhat and that certain moments were unanimated that might have made it more obvious to the casual viewer what was building). Teenage emotions can be pretty bipolar at times though ...
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