2010-06-21, 15:59 | Link #781 | |
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For all we know considering how long he lived even 10 years of training could be "a short while" for Isley,but it's highly probable that he was just being elusive with Raki...... Said that it's true that we don't know if the male warriors were ex-soldier,it was simply an hypothesis to justify the fact that a lot of male warriors seems to be quite old,and imo it's quite strange,don't you think? (well,maybe they were simply normal adults........) |
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2010-06-21, 17:53 | Link #782 | |
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It seems unlikely Isley + Co were taken in as adults but manga/anime in general often uses artwork that confuses the viewer about the age. For example in Toaru Majutsu no Index theres a guy (Magnus Stiyl the guy who can use fire magic) who looks like an adult but is actually a chain smoking Spoiler for spoiler:
so it could simply be artwork rather than any impression on their real age. (spoilered it because some people may not know still) |
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2010-06-22, 14:52 | Link #784 |
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, exactly. How god-awful must it be to, instead of living in a warm nice cottage with 2 dozen males and a surrogate son and daughter, you're stuck in this big ol' empty castle totally alone with a manatee like Dauf?
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2010-06-22, 15:09 | Link #786 |
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LMAO. Well. I would too, if I were her, it's true.
Image-wise, I'm heading over to the image thread. Eep! The whole surrogate daughter thing just freaks me out, since I've always thought she was his girlfriend/lover/whatever. I doubt he actually lived with the two dozen males, though. I pretty much figured the only one he was in frequent contact with was Rigaldo. |
2010-06-22, 15:58 | Link #788 | |
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Well, It's the thought; he obviously never really gave a spit over any of them, but nothing ever really stopped him from going with them or talking with them. Riful didn't really have that luxary since she was always actually looking for people . It's a shame she hated Isley actually....because if she just joined him during his prime, all her problems would be solved and she wouldn't be lonely anymore. Isley...neither of them actually, are the type to share power however. --- About the artwork, that's exactly what I was saying Kenshin; that despite looking like fully-grown adults, all of them are pretty close to 100 years old.... Unless you're going in the other direction and saying that despite physically looking that way, they are much younger which explains the age thing....in which case I just can't believe that. I can't believe that Isley and all the males are actually still teenagers or anyone under the age of 25. It's just....weird 0_0.
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2010-06-22, 16:09 | Link #789 | ||
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Why in the world do you "look" surprised, the manga said she was. That's totally the only reason I think so.
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So to me, Riful's talk about friendship and alliances were just as self-serving as Isley's gathering up his old comrades in his war on... everyone. In the end, they were both just advancing their own interests and describing it in the terms of their particular mask of civility. But I think it really is a mask, for both of them. And Isley didn't seem to like having people around much, or at least he said he didn't, so I assume he wasn't getting much of a benefit out of his generation hanging around aside from having them on hand when he wanted to take on... everyone. Quote:
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2010-06-22, 16:20 | Link #790 | ||
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Information warfare: Isley wanted everyone to know what he wanted them to know, and that was it. -- Isley really only cared for those he could make use of. Really, once he had Priscilla, he had no use for an army anymore, which is why they suddenly became expendable. I always felt that Riful truly was lonely; her words, her repeating desires...she wanted to take over sure, but she definitely was much more empathetic then Isley ever was. Her reactions to Dauf getting attacked by various forces the past several chapters are sheer proof of that. Quote:
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2010-06-22, 16:41 | Link #791 | ||
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I do think it's ambiguous, although I'll note that I think the idea that he covered his relationship with a surrogate daughter by saying she was his lover is way squickier than the idea that she actually was his lover. And also that even after Riful understood that it was a cover story, her explanation of what happened was: douyara ano otoko... ima dewa honki de ano onna horechatta mitai ne "It seems like that man... honestly has fallen in love with that girl." Quote:
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So the idea of them being a pairing and sleeping together when she's already in the palm of his hand just seems so....so... (I never knew you can understand Japanese. Cyclone can also read, which really helps when we need direct translations . --- Quote:
Hopefully we will get flashbacks so we can see more of the man he became indepth
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--- Roflmao, yes, that is very random personal info --- Well, we'll just have to wait and see until we got something. Raki's in a caravan right now heading to Staff....these are actually good times for some flashbacks ^_^.
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2010-06-22, 17:36 | Link #796 | |
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Both he and Priscilla I always saw as 13-14, filling in the middle-school gap between Riful and her late elementary age, and Claire(volume 1 anyway) and her young highschool appearance. Raki is obviously in his early 20's now which fits him nicely(physically anyway) with Claire. As for Priscilla, with her rather incomplete transformation, I can understand if she physically looks older(fitting in the 15-17 look); I don't buy into it too much though because it goes too much against all the other information on that subject. I do believe though that, depending on the persona in control, she seemingly looks older or younger. Noticably when the Awakened is in control like now, she(especially facially) looks like someone in her 20's, instead of the young teenager she's looked like until now.
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2010-06-22, 18:20 | Link #797 | ||
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Isley and Rigaldo look especially young to me. Early 20s at the latest, late teens at the earliest, but probably around 20. Quote:
That said, I don't think she ever looked younger than 15, except when she was... well, shrunken. Last edited by alovelyburn; 2010-06-22 at 18:27. Reason: 12-1 is a weird age. >.> |
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2010-06-22, 19:18 | Link #798 |
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Well as far as I can see it. Priscilla looks around 15-16 2 me. Riful 13-14... maybe, agreed with shiek all the males look like they're well into their 20s. Raki on the other hand, looks like he is somewhere around 17-20.
Edit: Something I've always wondered, Why did Riful always choose a castle as her hiding place? Look at Isley he lived in frekin nice a** cottage. That sounds much better than a damp dirty old castle. Last edited by FormerAbyssalone; 2010-06-22 at 20:14. |
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Since Isley and all the males clearly got alot of experience as warriors, which is why their are so (seemingly) unusually powerful as Awakened Beings, especially Isley, is because all of them made it that far. To me, they all look like Miria's age, and she's definitely a woman who's pushing her 30's. Quote:
Priscilla, like I said(I think I may have worded my post wrong), looked like child Raki's age when she was a warrior - 13/14. Because she's an exception in so many ways, her back-and-forth growth for example, I can understand why she would physically look older, but their really isn't much of a reason except that when their's more solid information on why she couldn't have physically grown any older - that's what I meant by that. But who knows - her whole transformation was incomplete, and she's an exception in so many ways, maybe she did actually grow very very slowly because of all the people she ate; so by the time Raki met her, meeting that 15-17 age that everyone keeps saying. Of course, once they met, it was all backwards from there . Riful definitely isn't older then 12 - she's begun puberty but is only in the first or second stage. I think she's 11.5, since she seems to fit that stage the most. I don't put her at twelve, because her bust would have kept growing past what it looks like now. As silly and funny as it sounds, her bust is actually a pretty accurate way to gauge her age believe it or not . We know she's started the first stages of puberty, the rest is simply narrowing it down. ---- Riful.....ugh, she's honestly self-destructive a little . The thing is, she loves being an Awakened Being and hates all things human. So the idea of a human environment, like a nice warm cottage, probably sickens her....but at the same time, she wants more people by her side...but only Awakened Beings Simply put, the girl is really really stubborn . She honestly probably would be happier living in a nice warm cottage, but would hate the idea of "stooping as low as to live like a human" or something
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