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Basically no third party publisher would want to touch a game of there's exclusive to it with a reasonable budget with a 10 foot barge pole. Ports sure, but not exclusive games. It's all on Sony's money hatting capabilities and first parties to take it out of it's rut. |
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2012-06-01, 09:23 | Link #22 | |
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Point is, don't be so quick to take it out for the count. Sure, there aren't many games for it out right now, but give it time and you'll see more software, same with the 3DS. (And I oughta know, I was a day-one buyer) |
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2012-06-01, 09:35 | Link #23 |
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Indeed, it sounds like when the 3ds came out. It had no games and the only thing people had to look forward to were ports or first party titles. Sad that for the longest time many of the games did horrible other than the remake of OoT.
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2012-06-01, 11:41 | Link #24 |
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When it comes to the handhelds themselves, I find the Vita more appealing then the 3DS. The Vita has more powerful graphics and a wider variety of control options.
The 3DS has ... 3d. Maybe it's my poor eyesight, but I generally find 3d underwhelming. I tried a friend's 3ds and didn't get much of an effect. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 3d is too much of a gimmick to me, I don't see how it will meaningfully improve much. Last edited by DonQuigleone; 2012-06-01 at 12:22. |
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2012-06-01, 13:54 | Link #26 |
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As someone who almost strictly plays RPGs, it does matter. That's one less flagship series off consoles, which implies that the RPG market is starting to sour and isn't profitable enough to keep up with development costs.
Sure it's a slippery slope, but what next? Tales never gonna make it to the PS4/Xbox720? FF15 going to be PSVita/3ds exclusive like its Dragon Quest cousin? I dunno, it's just I've been sad every since they had to downgrade Vakyria Chronicles sequels to the handhelds. I know the reality of the situation, but it's still a very bitter pill to swallow.
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2012-06-01, 16:22 | Link #28 |
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No I mean that I don't mind if the game has subpar graphics, if it comes out on console. If it's just a little better then Persona 4 I'd be happy. But I want to play my game on a big screen, for comfort's sake.
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2012-06-01, 19:53 | Link #30 |
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It's about as comfortable as reading a book. Which isn't very comfortable at all. And there's eye strain to deal with.
Best position for gaming is reclining, with a controller in your hands, on a couch(or comfortable chair), in front of a large screen. Handhelds are also a lot heavier then game controllers, and furthermore, you don't need to look at the game controller, allowing it to rest on your lap. A handheld, on the other hand, has to be held up, which gets tiring after a while. Sitting at a computer is more comfortable. And if you want to let your handheld rest on your lap, you have to crook your neck downwards, which feels all kinds of uncomfortable. |
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With regards to first party titles, that was one of the very things that helped increases sales of 3DS and kept interest in them going. Maybe that's a lesson Sony should have picked up earlier, considering they have some good first party franchises they could have leveraged at launch to at least alleviate the Vita's situation. Finally, the PSP may have done well, but it's still the loser in the previous generation's portable war. And the main reason it did well previously was thanks to Monster Hunter keeping it alive long enough to convince third parties to make more games for it. Sony no longer has that particular advantage. You can talk about hope all you want, but the it all just adds up to an even worse first year position compared to the same period as the 3DS'. And even then Nintendo was already taking very visible steps to fix their situation. Sony, meanwhile, seems to be satisfied to sit and scratch their rear end. It's very hard for people to not count the Vita out if Sony isn't trying to reassure them that they're doing something to ease their concerns. EDIT: Also, what's everyone's speculation on the setting? Tokyo gets dumped into a Last Bible-style setting or is merging with it? That'd certainly be something different.
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I really don't like the implication that handheld games are lesser games. The DS, if nothing else, should have proved by now that excellent games are possible on handhelds as well. Quote:
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*weighs his DS Lite* *weighs his Classic Controller Pro* *weighs his Xbox 360 controller* That's not true. What handheld console were you using as reference? The Sega Game Gear? As for comfort, the advantage of handheld consoles is that you can play them anywhere in whatever pose and at whatever place you're most comfortable with.
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2012-06-02, 18:59 | Link #33 | |
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Lot harder to read text off the small DS screen. Also, a large screen can fit more information more comfortably.
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2012-06-02, 19:49 | Link #34 | ||
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Furthermore, you talk about first-party title leverage, but Sony is already putting out some of their biggest franchises for the system, with Uncharted, Resistance, etc making it out in the same span it took Nintendo to get out a port of OoT. Whether or not they're good is something else altogether (TBH the Vita uncharted wasn't that great), but point is, you know they're taking it very seriously when uncharted was marketed as a launch title. Also, justification for owning a 3DS didn't come until E3 when the first part titles were formally given release schedules. (IMO there wasn't a good game to own in the first 4 months until OoT) so Sony might be holding their cards until next week as well. For its launch, even if the sales didn't live up to expectations, Vita had a much stronger showing with strong franchises (MGS, Persona) given clear release schedules already, and a couple of big first party titles showing up. Regardless, this argument shouldn't really be here. Sorry for going off-topic. |
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So this wouldn't be a problem for me, but fact of the matter is, handhelds aren't as popular outside of Japan. As such, handheld localizations take forever for these 'riskier ventures', even though companies have announced they have plans to do so eventually. I mean, where's FF type-0? Or how about Trails of the Sky parts 2 and 3? Even worse, they might follow the fate of Grand Knight's History. Not to mention one of my favourite series, SaGa, would be doubtful of ever going to get released the DS remakes of it in English. On the other hand, there's an English release of almost every RPG made for this generation's consoles, with the exceptions being AFAIK Chevalier Saga Tactics (NISA claims they're gonna publish it but no word for a very long time), Class of Heroes 3 (which AFAIK is still being pushed by Victor Ireland of Working Design's infamy), and Tales of Xillia (understandable as Graces was just released this year). Quote:
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2012-06-05, 00:40 | Link #38 |
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Well, at least I learned something from this thread. I picked up Infinite Space last fall because it looked unusual but set it aside when I heard about an unrecoverable bug. I'll get to it sooner or later- I am trying to get all the older PSP/DS games out of the way before I pick up the new portables. I love Suikoden, too.
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2012-08-28, 07:21 | Link #39 |
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First trailer for the game:
We see both a medieval castle and a cityscape. Maybe time travel is involved? It's also the first main SMT game to have actual voice acting, so maybe it's narrative will be a little more prominent as well. Finally that last scene in the trailer is in 3rd person, so I guess we can expect the return of Nocturne's gamplay style? Release date in Japan will be next year (2013).
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