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Justin_Brett · 2012-01-09, 21:08

I kind of agree with Hayate getting outsmarted and beaten up being a bad thing, but you should blame the writers who had that happen to the character, not she herself.

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 21:12

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Hayate has always been a glass cannon/tactical nuke launcher

I agree, which makes it strange that she did not bring Zaffy with her. I mean, he 'is' family right? His ability as a shield will do wonders in actual combat but we only see the guy as a pet, guardian and martial arts teacher. What happen to 'shield guardian'?

Of course, you can blame the above for the writer but it is just so unlike Hayate to chuck a family member away.....

Key Board · 2012-01-09, 21:26

you have a point

But well, perhaps Zafira didn't want or couldn't use a Strike Canon. Remember that you need special equipment to defend against Dividers. Isn't the StrikeCanon compatibility with people who are not Nanoha fairly low?

And considering how Curren OHKO'd Erio it wouldn't have helped that much

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 21:30

Maybe. But Zaffy is built to be a tank so he should be able to take more hits than Erio whom is more like a Fragile Speedster and have not been in active combat for some time.

I just realize all of this is moot if Touma release the Full Power Divide Zero Eclipse(Manga Ver.), everyone will kick the bucket, be it the Hukes or the TSAB.

Key Board · 2012-01-09, 21:38

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Originally Posted by rxrx

Maybe. But Zaffy is built to be a tank so he should be able to take more hits than Erio whom is more like a Fragile Speedster and have not been in active combat for some time.

I just realize all of this is moot if Touma release the Full Power Divide Zero Eclipse(Manga Ver.), everyone will kick the bucket, be it the Hukes or the TSAB.

She also OHKO'd Vita

Filraen · 2012-01-09, 21:42

Back to the game's story, at what point the future casts simply forgo secrecy, at least partially? (the memory seal shouldn't matter on this as they don't know about it yet)

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 21:42

If I'm not wrong, Signum is the front-line attacker, Vita is the all rounder, Shamal is the tactician and healer and Zaffy is the shield right? So maybe he can take more hits than the others.

Speaking of Zaffy, anyone knows what he is doing in Force? I think I miss out that part.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-09, 21:46

Yeah, it pretty much would have been a quadruple kill instead if he'd been there, sadly. It had to happen, so it did.

Nanya01 · 2012-01-09, 21:46

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Originally Posted by rxrx

If I'm not wrong, Signum is the front-line attacker, Vita is the all rounder, Shamal is the tactician and healer and Zaffy is the shield right? So maybe he can take more hits than the others.

Speaking of Zaffy, anyone knows what he is doing in Force? I think I miss out that part.

Sitting in one panel near Shamal and nothing else.

Where's Caro and Teana?

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 21:47

Teana is testing out the new weapon I remember. No idea about Caro.

Key Board · 2012-01-09, 21:49

Teana is part of Fate's staff. She hasn't had a field sortie yet.

Not sure about Caro

Here's my own question: why aren't there more combat cyborgs deployed in Force? They're made to operate
under extreme AMF conditions

You'd think their nature would make them more effective than mages when fighting Eclipse Dividers

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 21:56

The combat cyborgs I think are also part of Special Force 6, but just have not get a chance to join the fray as of yet I believe. Maybe we will see how well they fare against the Eclipse Dividers.

Or have them fight Touma, the resident punching bag to see how well their abilities will work.

Rising Dragon · 2012-01-09, 22:07

Time to take it to the Force thread guys.

rxrx · 2012-01-09, 22:12

Yep. Sorry about going away from the topic. Back to the game's story, I think it is a good thing that everyone got their own time to shine...

Also, Chrono really is a nice guy as seen in his conversations in Sequence 6 and 7. Kyrie even mentioned without the joking tone that suggests she might jump on the guy if he is three years older.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-09, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

I kind of agree with Hayate getting outsmarted and beaten up being a bad thing, but you should blame the writers who had that happen to the character, not she herself.

She wasn't outsmarted. She was ambushed by a dues ex Machina.

Also, any brutal sparring Touma and "the wives" recieve is arguably preparing them for the unforgiving demands of life or death combat.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-09, 22:39

I meant more Curren's attempt to get her tied up in another investigation on her character, which she just sort of rolled over and accepted like there were no other options.

MeisterBabylon · 2012-01-10, 00:23

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Hmm...

*imagines teenage/adult Dearche pulling a Tohsaka Rin deredere act*

......

@________________________@

You read my mind.

bhl88 · 2012-01-10, 00:46

In Sequence X.... we see the mess that if you take a closer look, that it's Touma, Isis and Lily (incinerated by the three scary people).

Keroko · 2012-01-10, 05:38

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Originally Posted by rxrx

Also, even if Hayate have to run laps, it is nothing compared to being beaten down to pulp regulary by the Aces. It's more like Touma and wives are being treated as punching bag to vent fustrations than actual training. Note how he is terrified of Hayate yet respects Signum. He is only afraid of Vita as she is a tough drill sergent and he respects her as well.

I really think we're looking a tad to seriously at something intended just for laughs here.

rxrx · 2012-01-10, 05:45

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Originally Posted by Keroko

I really think we're looking a tad to seriously at something intended just for laughs here.

Maybe. I never really understand the humor in pummeling people for fun even though I have watch countless anime and manga.

2012-01-09, 21:26	Link #1743
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	you have a point But well, perhaps Zafira didn't want or couldn't use a Strike Canon. Remember that you need special equipment to defend against Dividers. Isn't the StrikeCanon compatibility with people who are not Nanoha fairly low? And considering how Curren OHKO'd Erio it wouldn't have helped that much __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2012-01-09, 21:49	Link #1751
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Teana is part of Fate's staff. She hasn't had a field sortie yet. Not sure about Caro Here's my own question: why aren't there more combat cyborgs deployed in Force? They're made to operate under extreme AMF conditions You'd think their nature would make them more effective than mages when fighting Eclipse Dividers __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2012-01-09, 22:07	Link #1753
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Time to take it to the Force thread guys. __________________

2012-01-10, 00:46	Link #1758
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	In Sequence X.... we see the mess that if you take a closer look, that it's Touma, Isis and Lily (incinerated by the three scary people). __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-01-09, 21:08	Link #1741
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I kind of agree with Hayate getting outsmarted and beaten up being a bad thing, but you should blame the writers who had that happen to the character, not she herself.

2012-01-09, 21:30	Link #1744
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Maybe. But Zaffy is built to be a tank so he should be able to take more hits than Erio whom is more like a Fragile Speedster and have not been in active combat for some time. I just realize all of this is moot if Touma release the Full Power Divide Zero Eclipse(Manga Ver.), everyone will kick the bucket, be it the Hukes or the TSAB.

2012-01-09, 21:42	Link #1746
Filraen Big Damn Lurker Join Date: Feb 2011	Back to the game's story, at what point the future casts simply forgo secrecy, at least partially? (the memory seal shouldn't matter on this as they don't know about it yet)

2012-01-09, 21:42	Link #1747
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	If I'm not wrong, Signum is the front-line attacker, Vita is the all rounder, Shamal is the tactician and healer and Zaffy is the shield right? So maybe he can take more hits than the others. Speaking of Zaffy, anyone knows what he is doing in Force? I think I miss out that part.

2012-01-09, 21:46	Link #1748
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Yeah, it pretty much would have been a quadruple kill instead if he'd been there, sadly. It had to happen, so it did.

2012-01-09, 21:47	Link #1750
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Teana is testing out the new weapon I remember. No idea about Caro.

2012-01-09, 21:56	Link #1752
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The combat cyborgs I think are also part of Special Force 6, but just have not get a chance to join the fray as of yet I believe. Maybe we will see how well they fare against the Eclipse Dividers. Or have them fight Touma, the resident punching bag to see how well their abilities will work.

2012-01-09, 22:12	Link #1754
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Yep. Sorry about going away from the topic. Back to the game's story, I think it is a good thing that everyone got their own time to shine... Also, Chrono really is a nice guy as seen in his conversations in Sequence 6 and 7. Kyrie even mentioned without the joking tone that suggests she might jump on the guy if he is three years older.

2012-01-09, 22:39	Link #1756
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I meant more Curren's attempt to get her tied up in another investigation on her character, which she just sort of rolled over and accepted like there were no other options.