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Old 2013-12-20, 09:03   Link #221
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:07   Link #222
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characterization in touhou? last time I heard/played the problem they solve and ended up in having a tea. seriously, there isn't much to story in touhou too and the art work at the first games are crappy but it eventually become smooth but the one that will drive me crazy on playing is is the BGM and that rainbow colored danmaku battle. It still worth playing for just how crazy one can play in lunatic be.

i haven't played kancolle because its plainly japanese and it has harder gameplay than touhou but from the manga and 4-coma that I read. The fans give colors and character to the character though it looks like the character itself has already a set of personality so its easy to expand it.
Touhou has easier gameplay than KanColle? Since when? Sure, the RNG is irritating a lot of the time, but at least you get to actually grind levels in KanColle to give yourself a better chance...

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Reimu's smack talk prior to a stage and a spellcard battle is legendary. It's during these brief introductions that a character comes into their own. Naturally, some thing is left to be desired for characters that only have brief appearances, but recurring characters like Suika are well established.

The Touhou Fandom also has the uncanny ability to take the smallest detail, the most minute characteristic and run with it for a very long time...

Story-wise, there is story. The characters' backgrounds and motivations are revealed and sometimes explored quite thoroughly. It also helps that many of the characters in Touhou are based on real-life people or mythology.
Actually, the same could be said for KanColle. Kongou's "BURNING... LOVE!" when she attacks, for instance.

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2.) Long term longevity, there are always the navies from other countries.
Not to mention that they aren't even anywhere near covering the IJN yet. I think they've only done half the ships.
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:08   Link #223
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:11   Link #224
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Touhou has easier gameplay than KanColle? Since when? Sure, the RNG is irritating a lot of the time, but at least you get to actually grind levels in KanColle to give yourself a better chance...
I haven't actually played kancolle because the there are already lots of clickable button that I find troublesome. For touhou game. There isn't much button to push before the actual start of the game.

Please consider that I can't read moonrunes. So its easier for me if there are are only few buttons to click before the actual start of the game. Plus touhou is a shooting game while I'm not sure on kancolle.

And like I said on the post you quote. I haven't played it and only knew it from the manga and 4-koma.
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:18   Link #225
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Touhou has easier gameplay than KanColle? Since when? Sure, the RNG is irritating a lot of the time, but at least you get to actually grind levels in KanColle to give yourself a better chance...
Kancolle can be won with a spread sheet. Bullet hell...well, it's not really a matter of reflexes. It's part memorization and intense focus.

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Actually, the same could be said for KanColle. Kongou's "BURNING... LOVE!" when she attacks, for instance.
I'd say Akagi's appetite is the closest parallel to a Touhou meme that Kancolle has at the moment. All hail the Bauxite Queen!

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Not to mention that they aren't even anywhere near covering the IJN yet. I think they've only done half the ships.
I was wondering about that.
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:19   Link #226
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I keep seeing the Touhou comparisons popping up but I have to ask, how long is this likely to endure? Touhou rose up with terrible art, no VAs; just amazing characters, gameplay and music carrying it through. If you take out Kancolle's moe appeal, how much is left--and not just for the history buffs? Is it likely to still be highly relevant almost a decade later?
I really questions the need of stating "how long it will last" considering how bigger the target audience is for KC compared to Touhou. KC encompass 3 distinctive fandom: anime/manga otaku, seiyuu otaku and military/naval otaku.
I can't see any lack of characterization either considering you have already meme spawning left and right and even trivia from the real life counterparts ships (Mutsu's exploding turret, Kaga VS 5th division carriers, etc). Heck, in fact, you could say the RL component of the franchise is hardly a handicap. Despite this, you have a growing fanbase that add even more to the manga and other LN tidbits (I'm even surprised how people are going nuts over the Woclass enemy ships etc).

From my perspective, KC only have few lacking points such as the very minimal input from the player (which is also an advantage since unlike other browser game/mobage, the player doesn't feel the need to monitor his fleet every damn 5 minutes), BGM (few are good, but even including the average ones, there are very little scores). Past that, it has just as much winning points even though the genre is completely different.
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Please consider that I can't read moonrunes. So its easier for me if there are are only few buttons to click before the actual start of the game. Plus touhou is a shooting game while I'm not sure on kancolle.

And like I said on the post you quote. I haven't played it and only knew it from the manga and 4-koma.
There is a huge difference between reading comprehension for the menus and difficult gameplay.
If you put the menu aside, Kancolle is not even close to a "game" compared to Touhou. You hardly have any active role besides clicking for choices and fleet management. That is a far cry from Touhou where you have to shoot and dodge. Even if you put Touhou in easy mode, you must do something unlike KC.

The misusage of "easier gameplay" lead to this misunderstanding. That's like comparing a VN with a FPS. The difference is just that big.
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Old 2013-12-20, 10:50   Link #227
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(I'm even surprised how people are going nuts over the Woclass enemy ships etc).
Don't underestimate the power of head wear. Although I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal about her cane. In most fanworks I've seen, it's no where to be seen when really the cane says more about her than the hat. Like "I'm going to destroy you with the bare minimal amount of force" as she deals calculated blows against her enemies without ever adjusting her stance.
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Old 2013-12-20, 11:48   Link #228
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Well, there are perverted female Admirals too. I remember seeing at least 1 or 2 out there.

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I haven't actually played kancolle because the there are already lots of clickable button that I find troublesome. For touhou game. There isn't much button to push before the actual start of the game.

Please consider that I can't read moonrunes. So its easier for me if there are are only few buttons to click before the actual start of the game. Plus touhou is a shooting game while I'm not sure on kancolle.

And like I said on the post you quote. I haven't played it and only knew it from the manga and 4-koma.
Lol moonrunes. I've always wondered where that term came from.

People play this game even without knowing how to read Japanese. And no one who has actually played it for a while cites the language as their greatest barrier. All you need is a guide to know which button means what. That's what the wiki is for, after all. I myself found the guide to be pretty useful. Soon enough it becomes automatic. And language barrier ≠ difficult gameplay.

Bullet hell games, on the other hand, are named bullet hell for a very good reason.

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I'd say Akagi's appetite is the closest parallel to a Touhou meme that Kancolle has at the moment. All hail the Bauxite Queen!
Not Shimakaze's outfit? Well, Ryuujou's extra flight deck isn't as well-known as the rest, but...
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Old 2013-12-20, 12:02   Link #229
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Well there is an animation clip about bathing with Shimakaze from Comiket 85:
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Old 2013-12-20, 12:16   Link #230
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Not Shimakaze's outfit? Well, Ryuujou's extra flight deck isn't as well-known as the rest, but...
Not that I've seen. It's just an outfit. Sometimes characters cosplay as her? But it's not a meme, not like how Suwako's hat kind of took on a life of it's own, literally or how Reimu's sleeveless, but otherwise non-sexualized attire spawned jokes about her flashing her armpits everywhere.
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Old 2013-12-20, 21:22   Link #232
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People play this game even without knowing how to read Japanese. And no one who has actually played it for a while cites the language as their greatest barrier. All you need is a guide to know which button means what. That's what the wiki is for, after all. I myself found the guide to be pretty useful. Soon enough it becomes automatic. And language barrier ≠ difficult gameplay.

Bullet hell games, on the other hand, are named bullet hell for a very good reason.
So it would be easier to play with only a guide? I haven't tried playing it and just like I said. I only knew it from manga, 4-koma and this anime that's been in production.

Sorry for causing misunderstanding but I saw pictures of screen shots for the game which reminds me of online games where you pick your ship/character and customize it? I'm not much of a online gamer but more on RPG games so I'm not familiar with shooting?(right term. Also not familiar with terms used on them or how to categorize them) I played gunbound where you pick your character/weapon then you can customized it with items and such to make it powerful then you fight the enemy with shooting it down. Is it the same? or is the same as shooting game where you pick a gun and clips and storm the enemy?

sorry for causing misunderstanding but for me the more the unknown characters are there the harder for me to even play. touhou is simple for me because i don't need to mind much than just shoot down the annoying fairies, aliens, youkai or whatever mess comes with
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Old 2013-12-20, 23:20   Link #233
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Not to mention that they aren't even anywhere near covering the IJN yet. I think they've only done half the ships.
True, but a lot of the ones left are of destroyer size and lower -- escorts and support ships, really. If we take out Shinano and Taihou, the programmers have taken most of the large ships out of the running already (because they're already in-game).
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Not that I've seen. It's just an outfit. Sometimes characters cosplay as her? But it's not a meme, not like how Suwako's hat kind of took on a life of it's own, literally or how Reimu's sleeveless, but otherwise non-sexualized attire spawned jokes about her flashing her armpits everywhere.
Fair enough.

But anything Kongou says in gratuitous English must still stand, though.

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So it would be easier to play with only a guide? I haven't tried playing it and just like I said. I only knew it from manga, 4-koma and this anime that's been in production.

Sorry for causing misunderstanding but I saw pictures of screen shots for the game which reminds me of online games where you pick your ship/character and customize it? I'm not much of a online gamer but more on RPG games so I'm not familiar with shooting?(right term. Also not familiar with terms used on them or how to categorize them) I played gunbound where you pick your character/weapon then you can customized it with items and such to make it powerful then you fight the enemy with shooting it down. Is it the same? or is the same as shooting game where you pick a gun and clips and storm the enemy?

sorry for causing misunderstanding but for me the more the unknown characters are there the harder for me to even play. touhou is simple for me because i don't need to mind much than just shoot down the annoying fairies, aliens, youkai or whatever mess comes with
Pretty much.

Nope, according to the Wikipedia article:
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Combat is largely automated, and manual actions by the player include micromanagement such as building and repairing.
So there you have it. The only things you need to do for battles are formation picking (if your fleet has 4+ ships), and whether to go into night battles (if a day battle does not end with all enemies sunk).

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True, but a lot of the ones left are of destroyer size and lower -- escorts and support ships, really. If we take out Shinano and Taihou, the programmers have taken most of the large ships out of the running already (because they're already in-game).
The anime's introducing at least 2 new classes of destroyers.

Not that I have much hope of the older destroyers (Momi, Wakatake, Minekaze and Kamikaze classes) being used (they might for completion's sake, but I'm not too optimistic). The newer ones, however, are more likely to be introduced just so destroyers aren't seen as weaklings by KanColle players. Of course, none of the destroyers can beat Shimakaze in terms of popularity, but...

There're also a large number of ships (both small and large) that the IJN had planned to build (and some were even as much as 84% complete), but were ultimately cancelled. Once the programmers run out of large ships, they could still bring in those incomplete or cancelled ships.
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Old 2013-12-21, 11:08   Link #235
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Fair enough.

But anything Kongou says in gratuitous English must still stand, though.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the outfits aren't cute or the quirks aren't endearing, but there's a difference between taking something as is and creating an in-house joke out of it by virtue of the fandom.

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There're also a large number of ships (both small and large) that the IJN had planned to build (and some were even as much as 84% complete), but were ultimately cancelled. Once the programmers run out of large ships, they could still bring in those incomplete or cancelled ships.
I personally don't like that idea. Part of the charm point is that the girls have the "soul" of an old warship. Ships that were on the drawing board or were never finished would seem to be at odds with that idea. A ship's life and death are vital to characterizing the girls. It's practically who they are.

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But sometimes the direction the fandom takes can be annoying, just like Nanoha fandom's yuri faction.
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But sometimes the direction the fandom takes can be annoying, just like Nanoha fandom's yuri faction.
That's another enduring quality about the Touhou Fandom. It's so large and diverse that as a practical matter only the wholesome bits are ever elevated to near canon status. Only the bits that pretty much everyone can agree on rise to prominence and no matter how vocal a minority is, they'll never be able to exclude the rest of the fan-base to the IP's detriment.
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I don't care about that Touhou fandom, I'm talking about Nanoha's and this one.
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I don't care about that Touhou fandom, I'm talking about Nanoha's and this one.
I thought we were talking about fandoms in general?
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I don't think any of Nanoha's fanwork has ever gotten the canon treatment that Touhou and Kancolle has gotten.

ZUN's given the okay to many MANY things that started in the fandom (Keine as a teacher is just one), and Kancolle's doing the same via the 4koma. See Ryuujou's breast envy, for example? That started in the fandom.
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