[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Kirroha]

Originally Posted by Sir Andy Richter

She did not. She was gonna, though.

Again, she might not have even though of really killing anyone. Staging a murder mystery game is a possible thing for her to do and likely too, just to get Battler to remember, and the message bottles were basically written as if they were real so that it might seem like a true mystery game. But then she might not have planned to kill anyone for real.

[Jan-Poo]

Dudes... Ijriims has been stating that Kyrie=Beatrice for years!

He even has Kyrie Eleison on his sig...

[ClannadDango]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Dudes... Ijriims has been stating that Kyrie=Beatrice for years!

He even has Kyrie Eleison on his sig...

So it was KyrieBeatrice this whole time! 8O

[VecceV]

Spoiler for Beatice and Yasu:

What if Yasu is the child of Asumu and Rudolf. And Jessica is Beatice the 3rd.
And Battler is Kyries and Rudolfs son.


Asumu and Kyrie gave birth to live babies and Rudolf gave one to Kinzo. Who gave it to Natsuhi, who pushed it of the cliff. Some time after this Beatice the 2nd gave birth to *Jessica* whom Kinzo gave to Natsuhi. This time she overcome her anger for reasing a child not of her own blood.

After all, Battler and Yasu was born on the same day and Jessica DO look like Beatice the 1st.

Got a tonn of more Arguments and deeper reasoning, but its nearly 6 pm here, so it will have to wait for tomorrow .

[CainSonozaki]

Originally Posted by VecceV

Spoiler for Beatice and Yasu:

What if Yasu is the child of Asumu and Rudolf. And Jessica is Beatice the 3rd.
And Battler is Kyries and Rudolfs son.


Asumu and Kyrie gave birth to live babies and Rudolf gave one to Kinzo. Who gave it to Natsuhi, who pushed it of the cliff. Some time after this Beatice the 2nd gave birth to *Jessica* whom Kinzo gave to Natsuhi. This time she overcome her anger for reasing a child not of her own blood.

After all, Battler and Yasu was born on the same day and Jessica DO look like Beatice the 1st.

Got a tonn of more Arguments and deeper reasoning, but its nearly 6 pm here, so it will have to wait for tomorrow .

Spoiler for Speedy Rebuttal:

1. BattAnge ship triangle is bad enough, we dont need any more brother sister incest.
2. When was it said BAttler and Yasu was born on the same day? As Zepar and Furfur say the true age of the territory lord is 19.

[AuraTwilight]

Also, Asumu's child was stillborn.

[Kirroha]

1. BattAnge ship triangle is bad enough, we dont need any more brother sister incest.

I find aunt-and-nephew creepier, actually.

[witchfan]

You guys* are too much.

* Gender neutral gender assignment.

[CrystalStarlight95]

You guys are so hilarious to read right now. I'm actually going for the BITCHIN' lasers xD

Kyrie=Beatrice? Lol how about Rudolf=Beatrice? XD (INPLAUSIBLETHEORY.WAV)

[AuraTwilight]

Bitchin' Lasers and Mothafuckin' Mecha-dome need to be canon. Someone inform Ryukishi before he publishes Umineko Rei.

[CrystalStarlight95]

*snatches up a pen, paper and a Japanese dictionary*

[Kirroha]

Yasu's wound was a papercut.

[AuraTwilight]

Or she's a cyborg. After her tragic fall, she was fitted with cybernetic parts. No one figures out Shkanon because she can metamorph like a Transformer.

Shkanontrice! More that meets the eye!
Shkanontrice! Meidos in Disguise!

*guitar riff*

[CrystalStarlight95]

Me: *hanging out with Shannon for the day* You know, Shannon, I never really get to see your brother often. I wonder how he's doing....
*looks the other way as mechanical sounds fill the air*
*looks back* Oh my! Kanon, where did you come from?!
Kanon: I am nothing but furniture. My very low rank allows me to be extra quiet...
Me: But where did Shannon go? ._.
Kanon: ...... -_-
Me: O_O
Kanon: .......
Me: >_> Kanon...is there something you'd like to tell me..?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by VecceV

Spoiler for Beatice and Yasu:

What if Yasu is the child of Asumu and Rudolf. And Jessica is Beatice the 3rd.
And Battler is Kyries and Rudolfs son.


Asumu and Kyrie gave birth to live babies and Rudolf gave one to Kinzo. Who gave it to Natsuhi, who pushed it of the cliff. Some time after this Beatice the 2nd gave birth to *Jessica* whom Kinzo gave to Natsuhi. This time she overcome her anger for reasing a child not of her own blood.

After all, Battler and Yasu was born on the same day and Jessica DO look like Beatice the 1st.

Got a tonn of more Arguments and deeper reasoning, but its nearly 6 pm here, so it will have to wait for tomorrow .

Spoiler for Response, Very Minor (no duh) EP 8 Spoilers:

1) The game stated very clearly Yasu is Kinzo and Beatrice II's child. Considering this is stated in EP 7, a game almost entirely devoted to answering Yasu's past, I see no reason for there to be a lie.

2) In EP 8 it's made clear that Asumu had the stillbirth and Rudolf switched the results.

3) It is never stated when Yasu is specifically born. The closest 'birthdate' given is 11/29, which is when Yasu found the gold, but even that isn't a physical birthday.

[Kirroha]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Or she's a cyborg. After her tragic fall, she was fitted with cybernetic parts. No one figures out Shkanon because she can metamorph like a Transformer.

Shkanontrice! More that meets the eye!
Shkanontrice! Meidos in Disguise!

*guitar riff*

I lol'd.

Funniest thing since fusebox and teapot Yasu.

[Lady Orihime]

I'm sorry for jumping in like this, and I tried searching the thread, but couldn't find anything.

In the end, what was Battler's sin?

Spoiler:

Was it the thing about not coming back to the Island for Yasu/Shannon?

[Nontype]

I see a lot of people bitching and crying about the ending, and I'm kind of disappointed. If you look at what a wild ride and all the twists and turns, theories and debates we've had, you'll see it was a hell of a journey. I wonder , did the destination ever really matter? Or was it the journey, the experience we all shared in trying to get to the bottom of this whole thing and the like that were really the point of it all? A lot of good series run out of steam near the end but keep on going anyway because people want a dynamite conclusion and it just might not be possible.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Or she's a cyborg. After her tragic fall, she was fitted with cybernetic parts. No one figures out Shkanon because she can metamorph like a Transformer.

Shkanontrice! More that meets the eye!
Shkanontrice! Meidos in Disguise!

*guitar riff*

Tch... I totally did Shkanon-formers way before you did. It's buried in the episode 6 thread somewhere. But nobody laughed when I did it lol.

[Kylon99]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...96#post3180496

I laughed! Don't forget about me. ;__;

By the way, it still seems everyone (on nicovid at least) considers George the culprit. Caught some comments in those PS3 playthrough videos. Whenever he says something, it's, "Shaddup, culprit!"

Originally Posted by Lady Orihime

I'm sorry for jumping in like this, and I tried searching the thread, but couldn't find anything.

In the end, what was Battler's sin?

Spoiler:

Was it the thing about not coming back to the Island for Yasu/Shannon?

That's what it appears to be, but, I wonder if it's mostly that Beatrice *thought* Battler forgot about her when in Rokkenjima Prime he didn't really. At least at the end of EP8, it seemed to suggest that he did remember and love her. Or at least... "Beatrice." But Beatrice can speculate about Battler not remember in EP1-2. And if Battler really wrote EP3-4, then maybe he does feel guilty for forgetting, somehow?