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Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-22, 14:35

What's a good second class for Panne to learn? Thief or Wyvern rider? Nowi as well...

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-22, 15:00

Wyvern Rider for both. None of the basic class skills are that good, but Deliverer and Lancebreaker from Griffon Rider is useful for Panne (and Yarne) for that +2 move when Paired Up and extra +50 avoid against Lances to cover up a Taguel's Beast Killer weakness.

You could also get Lethality from Assassin if you want. Skill/4 isn't really a reliable proc rate, but you can't get any other attack skill, so there's not much choice there.

Nowi is similar: Mage and Wyvern Rider's basic skills aren't that great. Griffon Rider's Deliverer is useful, and you definitely want Swordbreaker from Wyvern Lord to cover her Wyrmslayer weakness. Both Sage and Dark Knight have skills with limited use. There's no point in using Tomefaire if you want her to go back to Manakete later (and you do). Rally Magic is a useful AoE buff, but that does depend on what your army is like and your formation. Dark Knight's Slow Burn is useless, and Lifetaker requires a strong offensive unit that can kill reliably. With Nowi's low speed, that probably won't happen.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-22, 18:00

Oh god Gaius x Cordelia had a pretty dull conclusion

I failed as a shipper...

I don't know if I can go through with Virion x Panne, Fredrick's convo with her seems much better...

Libra x Tharja is good though, Libra is pretty smooth for a priest.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-22, 20:55

A lot of supports have fairly jarring conclusions. Many supports have the two characters at a platonic stage for C-A, and then when you get to S it's like the proposal comes out of nowhere.

I'm pretty sure Anna even mentions how sudden it is with her Male Avatar S support.

And then there's male Avatar and Tharja... where the majority of the time he's creeped out by her stalking him.

JohnNiles · 2013-03-22, 21:32

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A lot of supports have fairly jarring conclusions. Many supports have the two characters at a platonic stage for C-A, and then when you get to S it's like the proposal comes out of nowhere.

I'm pretty sure Anna even mentions how sudden it is with her Male Avatar S support.

And then there's male Avatar and Tharja... where the majority of the time he's creeped out by her stalking him.

She's been following my female Avatar around... I'll bet the dialog up through A is the same.

I paired Vaike with Tharja... he seemed stupid enough to try and strong enough to survive her curses.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-22, 22:56

Is it fine if I'm unable to get Galeforce before Lucina

? I know she can get it later herself, but would it be a waste of time? How is she as a pegasus knight type?

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-23, 00:13

She's fine. She'll be getting lances if you get her to Great Lord anyway, so you might as well train her lance rank now. The Pegasus Knight classes are fairly fast, though they're kind of fragile... and weak to bows... and wind magic... and Beast Killers

You can kind of see why Dark Flier is the one that learns Galeforce. They kind of need it to hit and run since they can't take a hit.

Pen3 · 2013-03-23, 02:59

Im on chapter 14 and everyones married but I havent done any prologues to get their children. I like Anna, but want to wait for Tiki for MU wife. I was wondering if not playing the regulars will have any effect on children stats at this point? Because I like some of the Spotpass characters and want to use them instead.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-23, 03:11

The children's base stats are affected by their parents' stats.

http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_base.html#children

Long story short: the total amount of stats gained by the parents is averaged together with the childrens' absolute base stats to give the starting stats they will have when you meet them in the Paralogues.

Spotpass characters are useful since they have every class options like Avatar, but keep in mind they cannot form supports and therefore will be losing the hit, critical, and avoid boosts your main characters will have.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-23, 03:37

Virion and Panne's support convo turns out to be pretty decent after all (at least so far up to A) so I guess I'll probably go through with that, but I don't want to train Virion pass level 10, so I guess Yanne would just have to make do with Prescience, which from it's description sounds like a pretty good deal.

I'm thinking of making Cherche into a Griffon Rider for Deliverer, at least Gerome would have a good skill if I don't feel like leveling her to lv 15... Vaike would still have to work hard for that Axefaire....

Iron Maw · 2013-03-23, 17:08

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No, I'm not saying they're a liability. My point is that you want a Counter user to have high HP and low defense so that more damage can be reflected back. Warriors fit the bill perfectly.

Eh, no what I mean is that I want a skill that offers them some sort of protection on enemy phase like Counter. It doesn't not have work the same way Counter does (HP and low defense), it can just be an evasion skill of sort.

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lol, but being less terrible than one of the worst classes isn't saying much

Yeah yeah, semantics.

But this is what the discussion was originally about.

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The extra movement is nice, but you can only turn away from your weaknesses for so long. If a high move class has to use that move avoiding an enemy unit they are weak against, then that extra move would go to waste, wouldn't it?

True, but the game isn't so rigid that it can't be worked around otherwise nobody would ever use mounted classes.

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Actually, he's terrible earlygame because of his low base stats, low starting weapon rank, and bad starting class (Villager).

Your best candidate for the first Second Seal would actually be the Avatar, because (s)he would be the first to hit level 10 from Veteran's EXP boost and being a strong enough unit that (s)he would be killing so many units on his own.

Donnel comes second because he needs that Second Seal or he continues to be a liability as a Villager.

Actually that's exactly why if you're using Donnel that priority for the Second Seal go to him. Unlike Villager, Taction is a good class and the Avatar is already a solid unit. Donnel on the otherhand needs to get out of that class ASAP and into one where he can put his skills and growth to good use (which shouldn't take long). You will get plenty of Second Seals later for the Avatar later and s/he won't slowing down your army by leaving it as is.

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All he really has is a strong midgame, but then again... so do your other units with the same amount of favoritism. It's not that he's completely useless but that his potential is limited. But then again... both Hard and Normal give you enough flexibility that you don't really need to have the best units.

You're probably right, but I don't think his post Villager performance should be brushed aside. Donnel's quite sold unit that's actually worth putting some effort into getting. Sure he needs favoritism, but that's how he was intentionally designed, he is a bit of a special character.

Plus he seems like he'd do well in endgame thanks to Armshift and his high luck, making him one of best people to make use of "high MT low durability" legendary weapons or Brave weapons. Sol is also arguably the second best mastery skill after Aether and it activates twice as much so he won't be dying any time soon.

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Spotpass characters are useful since they have every class options like Avatar, but keep in mind they cannot form supports and therefore will be losing the hit, critical, and avoid boosts your main characters will have.

Spotpass characters are pretty meh compared to characters you get in game honestly. They have far better use as merchants thanks to the rare stuff you can buy from them.

Sol Falling · 2013-03-27, 00:09

First time wandering into Animesuki's games subforum...didn't realize there was a FE thread here. I've been working at Awakening a whole month and still don't look anywhere near close to finishing it, lol. Been taking it slow and steady.

I'm currently before ch. 15 on Hard Mode casual and just recruited my Chrom!Inigo with inherited Galeforce. One of the primary reasons I decided to go for that was to get early access to buyable Second Seals, but with my slow rate of progress and Annas/Streetpass encounters I actually managed to get enough to reclass all the 1st gen units I wanted to quite a while ago, lol. Also, I'm gonna be benching my Olivia for quite a while, she's way overlevelled and with nearly capped stats compared to all my other characters. I barely got a chance to play with Galeforce, she's presently a level 1 Swordmaster lol.

Not gonna marry off any of my other characters until I get them all with A supports to each other so I can save and reload to obtain all the support conversations, haha. My tentative plans for marriage are based off the suggestions of a certain thread on Gamefaqs currently, but one thing I am pretty undecided about is what I'm gonna do with my +Mag/-Def FeMU character. There are aesthetic concerns as well as optimization ones...I wonder if I should just go for a male magic-oriented second-generation character, as I imagine none of them could be as aesthetically unattractive as several of the first gen males like Donnel, Vaike, or Gregor.

Anyway, gonna keep up with this thread, since it seems like there's some good advice/experienced FE players here. What I was actually looking/hoping for, though, was actually a Style Savvy 3DS thread (lol), 'cause I wanted to talk about how, after checking my online shop for the first time in like 3 months today (due to noticing that DLC content had been released), I found out that I had received a freakin' 2000 purchases from other players lol.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-27, 00:27

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Not gonna marry off any of my other characters until I get them all with A supports to each other so I can save and reload to obtain all the support conversations, haha. My tentative plans for marriage are based off the suggestions of a certain thread on Gamefaqs currently, but one thing I am pretty undecided about is what I'm gonna do with my +Mag/-Def FeMU character. There are aesthetic concerns as well as optimization ones...I wonder if I should just go for a male magic-oriented second-generation character, as I imagine none of them could be as aesthetically unattractive as several of the first gen males like Donnel, Vaike, or Gregor.

Yeah, most likely you'll end up going for a second generation male as your husband. Your choices for a first gen husband are pretty limited for a magic Avatar/Morgan. There's only Henry, Libra, and Ricken, and they're probably taken by others.

The only choice I saw was Brady, Laurent, or Henry/Ricken/Libra!Owain.

Iron Maw · 2013-03-27, 02:47

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

A lot of supports have fairly jarring conclusions. Many supports have the two characters at a platonic stage for C-A, and then when you get to S it's like the proposal comes out of nowhere.

I'm pretty sure Anna even mentions how sudden it is with her Male Avatar S support.

And then there's male Avatar and Tharja... where the majority of the time he's creeped out by her stalking him.

Going back to this, the StahlxPanne is pretty WTF too. He gets her to come to meals with the group a couple times and then he suddenly wants to marry her?

On the flipside, my recent VirionxSully turned out rather nice, but then again those two had some good chemistry together.

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She's been following my female Avatar around... I'll bet the dialog up through A is the same.

I paired Vaike with Tharja... he seemed stupid enough to try and strong enough to survive her curses.

I have same pairing myself. I'm not sure if they really make a good couple or not, but damn if their interactions are funny.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-27, 02:51

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Going back to this, the StahlxPanne is pretty WTF too. He gets her to come to meals with the group a couple times and then he suddenly wants to marry her?

On the flipside, my recent VirionxSully turned out rather nice.

I went with Virion x Panne....... It's not... Too bad?

Panne with Fredrick was funny-cute, with Lon'qu she had a "Urusai! Baka!" moment which was good as well.

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I have same pairing myself. I'm not sure if they really make a good couple or not, but damn if their interactions are funny.

Vaike with Cherche for me... Sort of a pretty girl with charming dumb oaf

Lon'qu and her is good too... Like Henry, I think Lon'qu is good with any girl

Iron Maw · 2013-03-27, 23:49

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I went with Virion x Panne....... It's not... Too bad?

Panne with Fredrick was funny-cute, with Lon'qu she had a "Urusai! Baka!" moment which was good as well.

I've just started Fred and Nowi supports where Nowi immediately assumes he's into little girls and he has to bribe her with fruits to calm her down and spar with him.

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Vaike with Cherche for me... Sort of a pretty girl with charming dumb oaf

Lon'qu and her is good too... Like Henry, I think Lon'qu is good with any girl

Gaius supports with other women is pretty good too, particularity with Nowi.

I'm really curious to what a conversation between Lon'qu and Tharja would be like, she'd probably enjoy his reaction to her unlike the others.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-28, 00:07

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I'm really curious to what a conversation between Lon'qu and Tharja would be like, she'd probably enjoy his reaction to her unlike the others.

Tharja actually acts fairly normal around him (probably because she's only interested in the Avatar)

Their support conversation starts off with Lon'qu telling Tharja to back off because of his fear, which he makes sure to say it it's the same for all women. Tharja offers a hex that will get rid of his fear, which does get him interested. Then later he talks about his past and the reason behind his gynophobia.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-28, 00:15

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I've just started Fred and Nowi supports where Nowi immediately assumes he's into little girls and he has to bribe her with fruits to calm her down and spar with him.

I tried Nowi and Donnel... It's okay I guess.

Ricken and Nowi's confession seems better.

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Gaius supports with other women is pretty good too, particularity with Nowi.

Gaius and Maribella has history together.

Gaius and Cordelia had a good start, but the confession is so... Bland.

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Tharja actually acts fairly normal around him (probably because she's only interested in the Avatar)

Their support conversation starts off with Lon'qu telling Tharja to back off because of his fear, which he makes sure to say it it's the same for all women. Tharja offers a hex that will get rid of his fear, which does get him interested. Then later he talks about his past and the reason behind his gynophobia.

Lon'qu seem to have that with most women, it was the same with Panne where he has to explain himself

Lon'qu and Cherche is the one where he finally tackles his trauma at it's roots.... Plus he would then go on to father Nightwing... I mean Gerome, who would inherit his father's lonewolf behavior... Only to be 'cured' in the same fashion by Sumia's daughter

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-28, 08:15

Quick question, What is a good Skill for Libra to pass to Noire? Should I reclass him to sage for Tomefaire? For a promoted class he feels a lot weaker compared to my other characters...

Sol Falling · 2013-03-28, 11:48

Renewel is pretty good if you got him to lvl. 15 as a War Monk.

If you're taking optimal promotion paths (i.e. second sealing at level 10 (if you're gonna do it), promoting at level 20), prepromotes (Frederick, Libra, Anna for me so far) generally underperform statwise compared to your other characters. Of course, you don't really have the luxury of doing that in Lunatic mode, but I presume you're not doing that. Since I plan to use all the characters anyway, I've given all of the prepromotes All Stats +2, it helps them cope a bit.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	What's a good second class for Panne to learn? Thief or Wyvern rider? Nowi as well... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Oh god Gaius x Cordelia had a pretty dull conclusion I failed as a shipper... I don't know if I can go through with Virion x Panne, Fredrick's convo with her seems much better... Libra x Tharja is good though, Libra is pretty smooth for a priest. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Is it fine if I'm unable to get Galeforce before Lucina ? I know she can get it later herself, but would it be a waste of time? How is she as a pegasus knight type? __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Virion and Panne's support convo turns out to be pretty decent after all (at least so far up to A) so I guess I'll probably go through with that, but I don't want to train Virion pass level 10, so I guess Yanne would just have to make do with Prescience, which from it's description sounds like a pretty good deal. I'm thinking of making Cherche into a Griffon Rider for Deliverer, at least Gerome would have a good skill if I don't feel like leveling her to lv 15... Vaike would still have to work hard for that Axefaire.... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	First time wandering into Animesuki's games subforum...didn't realize there was a FE thread here. I've been working at Awakening a whole month and still don't look anywhere near close to finishing it, lol. Been taking it slow and steady. I'm currently before ch. 15 on Hard Mode casual and just recruited my Chrom!Inigo with inherited Galeforce. One of the primary reasons I decided to go for that was to get early access to buyable Second Seals, but with my slow rate of progress and Annas/Streetpass encounters I actually managed to get enough to reclass all the 1st gen units I wanted to quite a while ago, lol. Also, I'm gonna be benching my Olivia for quite a while, she's way overlevelled and with nearly capped stats compared to all my other characters. I barely got a chance to play with Galeforce, she's presently a level 1 Swordmaster lol. Not gonna marry off any of my other characters until I get them all with A supports to each other so I can save and reload to obtain all the support conversations, haha. My tentative plans for marriage are based off the suggestions of a certain thread on Gamefaqs currently, but one thing I am pretty undecided about is what I'm gonna do with my +Mag/-Def FeMU character. There are aesthetic concerns as well as optimization ones...I wonder if I should just go for a male magic-oriented second-generation character, as I imagine none of them could be as aesthetically unattractive as several of the first gen males like Donnel, Vaike, or Gregor. Anyway, gonna keep up with this thread, since it seems like there's some good advice/experienced FE players here. What I was actually looking/hoping for, though, was actually a Style Savvy 3DS thread (lol), 'cause I wanted to talk about how, after checking my online shop for the first time in like 3 months today (due to noticing that DLC content had been released), I found out that I had received a freakin' 2000 purchases from other players lol. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2013-03-27 at 00:20.

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Wyvern Rider for both. None of the basic class skills are that good, but Deliverer and Lancebreaker from Griffon Rider is useful for Panne (and Yarne) for that +2 move when Paired Up and extra +50 avoid against Lances to cover up a Taguel's Beast Killer weakness. You could also get Lethality from Assassin if you want. Skill/4 isn't really a reliable proc rate, but you can't get any other attack skill, so there's not much choice there. Nowi is similar: Mage and Wyvern Rider's basic skills aren't that great. Griffon Rider's Deliverer is useful, and you definitely want Swordbreaker from Wyvern Lord to cover her Wyrmslayer weakness. Both Sage and Dark Knight have skills with limited use. There's no point in using Tomefaire if you want her to go back to Manakete later (and you do). Rally Magic is a useful AoE buff, but that does depend on what your army is like and your formation. Dark Knight's Slow Burn is useless, and Lifetaker requires a strong offensive unit that can kill reliably. With Nowi's low speed, that probably won't happen.

2013-03-22, 20:55	Link #424
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	A lot of supports have fairly jarring conclusions. Many supports have the two characters at a platonic stage for C-A, and then when you get to S it's like the proposal comes out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure Anna even mentions how sudden it is with her Male Avatar S support. And then there's male Avatar and Tharja... where the majority of the time he's creeped out by her stalking him.

2013-03-23, 00:13	Link #427
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	She's fine. She'll be getting lances if you get her to Great Lord anyway, so you might as well train her lance rank now. The Pegasus Knight classes are fairly fast, though they're kind of fragile... and weak to bows... and wind magic... and Beast Killers You can kind of see why Dark Flier is the one that learns Galeforce. They kind of need it to hit and run since they can't take a hit.

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Pen3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Im on chapter 14 and everyones married but I havent done any prologues to get their children. I like Anna, but want to wait for Tiki for MU wife. I was wondering if not playing the regulars will have any effect on children stats at this point? Because I like some of the Spotpass characters and want to use them instead.

2013-03-23, 03:11	Link #429
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	The children's base stats are affected by their parents' stats. http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_base.html#children Long story short: the total amount of stats gained by the parents is averaged together with the childrens' absolute base stats to give the starting stats they will have when you meet them in the Paralogues. Spotpass characters are useful since they have every class options like Avatar, but keep in mind they cannot form supports and therefore will be losing the hit, critical, and avoid boosts your main characters will have.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Quick question, What is a good Skill for Libra to pass to Noire? Should I reclass him to sage for Tomefaire? For a promoted class he feels a lot weaker compared to my other characters... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia Last edited by Chaos2Frozen; 2013-03-28 at 10:45.

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Renewel is pretty good if you got him to lvl. 15 as a War Monk. If you're taking optimal promotion paths (i.e. second sealing at level 10 (if you're gonna do it), promoting at level 20), prepromotes (Frederick, Libra, Anna for me so far) generally underperform statwise compared to your other characters. Of course, you don't really have the luxury of doing that in Lunatic mode, but I presume you're not doing that. Since I plan to use all the characters anyway, I've given all of the prepromotes All Stats +2, it helps them cope a bit.