Lucky Star - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Ceath]

Originally Posted by Vexx

They changed trackers (nyaatorrents.org no longer responds to web or tracker requests.... either their server crashed or worse) and the new tracker location hasn't updated on the tracker collation sites like AS or baka-updates.
If you go directly to the Guerrand fansub website, the updated tracker is there and works fine.

edit: their new tracker is http://www.datorrents.com/download.a...5D.avi.torrent


edit: FINALLY.... here is the らき☆すた I'm looking for.... both 17 and 18 are full of goodness.

I thought I was totally fond of hearing Nanako talk but snaggle-toothed Misao-san just explodes my brain. Patricia-san ... her VA is catching the "American teen speaking Japanese" fairly well -- she'd fit right in with the 3rd/4th year students my son knows.

By the time we got to Lucky*Channel, I was so content I have nothing ill to say about it.

Ah i see. Thanks a lot for clearing that up and for providing me with the new torrent.

[nikorai]

I'm late with watching the episode but i managed to do so. Of course it's a 10. However hard I tried to catch all the references I still had to check for spoilers posted here, but some of the jokes were pretty obvious.

AVPlaya
off topic, about modern education

Spoiler:

well, apparently it's pretty tough to get a good education and in Japan the system it very strict. Perhaps the most flexible system is in the us where you can apply for different universities.
Here in Russia things are a little bit more complicated but people who are about to finish school still have more options than japanese guys. You don't have national tests. Basically when you get your certificate you just hand in papers in the university (or college if you like) to take exams for the major of your choice. If you get less points during exams you can still quality for a different major within the same faculty but some universities do not allow to do so.
Getting into a prestigious college is difficult so high school students usually attend additional classes during their final year, universities have preparatory courses for entrants. That means you have to plan in advance. Personally i didn't attend any of these, i just passed exams and that's it.

On the whole the system looks like this:
you start going to school at the age of 6 in this manner:
-Elementary school - 3 years
- Middle school - 5 years

Compulsory education ends here.

- High school - 2 years.
This way you get into college at the age of 16.
So when I was 17 I was already a 2 year uni student and japanese guys are only choosing their major.

College - 5 years (specialist)
But nowdays western practice is introduced so you can study
4+2 years to get Bachelor's then M.D.

Otherwise you proceed further to
graduate course (3 years) to get a Doctoral degree.
Then if you're extremely smart, 2 more years for Ph.D.

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by nikorai

off topic, about modern education...]

Thanks for info; I think it's pretty neat you guys get to enter college early. In Japan the system isn't THAT bad, I was only talking about getting into college. There's a very supportive vocational high school system here in which you can learn a trade as early as 15; job placement support after these schools are pretty decent too. The Japanese government really cares about employment rates, especially for young people. The college system there are based on elite system, where only the brightest get into college, and the rest of learns a skill. It's model after Germany's system I believe. Now days employment among young people is rising and entry level jobs are decreasing - instead of laying off people, many Japanese companies simply stop hiring for perm positions. Many college educated women never gets a chance to even get a permanent jobs - they have to stay temp for 5 years before being considered. Thus now there's an increasing problem of NEETS, where scores of young people just get by by working at odd jobs and sleeping in manga-cafes or hop between friends.

Life in Japan is difficult, but there once was a guarantee of life-time employment and other securities after you've suffered through school. Now even that is gone, and many young people are can't face the pressure of adulthood. That's why many choose to become otakus... the fantasy life offered in anime is so much better than reality.

[Joe88]

did [a.f.k.] stop subbing lucky star?
they usually released eps weekly now its nothing

[Vexx]

See the recent discussion in ep 18 thread ... but in short, yes, it appears they have dropped it to do SZS.

Their reasons are provoking some head-scratching but you'll just have to decide.

[nikorai]

Vexx
It is actually pretty bad that [a.f.k.] has dropped the project. They advanced this far.

AVPlaya
Thanks for your reply.
offtopic - continued

Spoiler:

Surely judging by the economic performance the education system is pretty advanced. But the difficulty to get into college is to my mind a drawback. Here a lot of people tend to get into college. Though the situation is far from perfect. The quality of education seems to decline while the number of educational institutions increases. Still for me the the studies were pretty tough. I personally graduated last year, that is quite recently. What i learned about japan came from some outdated textbooks. Basically we learned that the japanese economy is based on the pillars, among which is life time employment but only for ceo and such. It seems that the number of part time jobs (baito) is increasing drastically nowadays. Personally I think that the achievements of the us in creating work places are worth taking into account.
What I wanted to ask is do you know about post-graduate studies in Japan. I'm kind of into this thing at the moment

[Vexx]

I'm going to backtrack a little from my previous post -- they're choosing their words too carefully so I can't discount a prank in progress

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I'm going to backtrack a little from my previous post -- they're choosing their words too carefully so I can't discount a prank in progress

[09:49] * bayoab changes topic to '><a.f.k.> «No @find/xdcc list» ¤ ><Out:> Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei 04 {610AD759} ¤ Lucky Star 17 {0520C48F} 18 {114B8596} ¤ < BT: http://a.scarywater.net/afk/ > | Haruhi Translations @ http://www12.brinkster.com/stratoct/haruhi.htm / http://tinyurl.com/28oln6 |

Yeah, that was a pretty weird.. prank..? XD

[bayoab]

You forgot the

*** bayoab changes topic to '><a.f.k.> ... | _____ ____ licensed.

[Imaginer]

LOL OMG!

Love the 24 reference and the constant pokings between Kagami and Konata. The Lucky Channel corner and the ending were hilarious with the remix of the intro by Shirashi and the manager having his take on Lucky Star and what anime should be (and the fire hose bit).

And they are playing the wii! Wonder what game it is?

[Imaginer]

Also, poor Kagami. I get the feeling that she got the blunt end of this episode...

[41nano]

@AVPlaya: Wow thanks a lot for the hard work, there were a lot i didn't get at all.
Awesome job

[Sorrow-K]

One of the few disadvantages of having separate threads for each episode is that, when a double release comes out, one can't comment on both episodes in a single post. Oh well... since the alternative would be a big giant mess of a thread with some ~4000 posts, I won't complain too much.

I'm starting to wear of the mediocrity this show is serving up. I didn't enjoy all that much at all from this episode... the majority of it was boring, and the one half-interesting scene at the end with the Hiiragi family ended with a generic, tepid sappy moment. I would respect this show better if either it was all sappy moments like that, or all comedy, but it tries to be both, and the quick transitions from one to the other (like the sudden transition at the end of this particular scene to a light gag about reading manga) are always too jarring and clumsy. It's not just something that's happened in this ep as well, it's endemic of the entire goddamn series, and it just makes me think that this show isn't sure what it wants to be and ends up executing both its components of comedy and slice-of-life insipidly.

Damn this episode was boring. When Lucky Channel is the most entertaining sequence in an ep, something is very wrong. Needs less Shiraishi as well... the gag has gone stale. Not that this show has any grasp over when to stop running its gags into the ground. Now for the next ep.

[superzombie23]

The animation was above average longer than usual.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by Sorrow-K

I didn't enjoy all that much at all from this episode... the majority of it was boring, and the one half-interesting scene at the end with the Hiiragi family ended with a generic, tepid sappy moment.

Wow, unusually harsh. I for one loved the Hiiragi family scene, especially since it gives us a glimpse of how the elder Hiiragi sisters interact with the twins. As for the "jarring" transitions, isn't that mostly because this anime is based on a 4koma?

Well, in any case, I liked this episode as much as every other episode of Lucky Star. Self-referential humour is always fun and good for a laugh (loved the ED!).

[AVPlaya]

Different Strokes I guess... L*S in Japan also has this polarizing effect on otakus.

[Skane]

Well, for me, watching that scene made me wonder what if they made a "Yuri-themed" Renai-game out of Lucky Star where Konata is the protagonist; and then converted that into an anime series.

It was enjoyable to watch, but at the same time, rather unsettling as that is not really what Lucky Star is all about. Good content, but wrong context. I treat is as a "what-if" scenario in which we see the possibilities if Lucky Star had been from a different set of material.

Cheers.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by Skane

Well, for me, watching that scene made me wonder what if they made a "Yuri-themed" Renai-game out of Lucky Star where Konata is the protagonist; and then converted that into an anime series.

It was enjoyable to watch, but at the same time, rather unsettling as that is not really what Lucky Star is all about. Good content, but wrong context. I treat is as a "what-if" scenario in which we see the possibilities if Lucky Star had been from a different set of material.

Cheers.

Exactly. I found that scene more of Nico Nico Douga parody material, not to be actually shown in an episode. It would be immensely profitable for KyoAni to make a spinoff series out of Lucky*Star after the fact though.

[shinku no kage]

Finally got the chance to watch ep.17 (About time)

I gave it 8/10.

Key parts of the ep(?)
-The first thing that got me was Konata's theory on how sisters' "absorb" traits from each other. I didnt think that Minami grew up with Miyuki-san. Cute. LOL

-Konata finally turns 18. "Happy B-day Kona!!". \(^w^)/ Guess she can now enjoy 18+ games legally. LOL...and there she goes denying that she has ever played any. ^^;...she still looks nothing like her age though. I can completely understand how Miyuki-san is mistaken for an older age. Hell, if she was an actual person I'd treat her like she WAS older than me...I mean technically she is mentally older than me. LOL. Its good that Konata doesnt want to let go of her inner child. ^^

-As for Yutaka, Yui-san, and Izumi sensei preparing the party, nice "24" reference KyoAni. b(^_^)d...too bad it didnt happen.

-As for the group's future aspirations, who'd have guessed all their choices. Miyuki-san and Kagami is so...set on reality, Tsukasa just goes with her dreams, and as for Kona...too much dream. It slightly worries me that in her final year of school she hasnt changed much. I'd like to see SOME growing up done within the series.

-Konata's idea of a "family cast". Was the four sisters scene a reference to anything?

-Kagami vs. her older sistsr Matsuri. The first time I felt uneasy watching LS, the tension between the two was too much. Good thing that they made up later. Made a great heart warming moment, good job KyoAni. b (^_^) d

Moments I enjoyed
-As for Konata's newly revealed talent...AMAZING!! But for the same reason Kagamin stated. LOL

-Yutaka plays the Wii. Cute

Lucky Channel
Anime Tenchou as the guest!? NICE!! The BEST LC yet!!

ED
For goodness sake, STOP THE DAMN SHIRAISHI SONGS!!!! PLZ!!!

[kevin13]

Interesting episode, seem to have gone all dramaee.
See what happens there...


Yeah, sick of SHIRAISHI.