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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 19 | |||
10 out of 10 : Nearly Perfect... | 30 | 28.30% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 37 | 34.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 21 | 19.81% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 8 | 7.55% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 6 | 5.66% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.94% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.94% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 2 | 1.89% | |
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2012-11-10, 17:45 | Link #41 | |
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Nevermind the actual damage he can unleash regardless his form, it is the fact he could slash, grab, lift and even bite the salamanders players that is the issue in this part of the episode. Really, an illusion is basically showing something that doesn't exist, and as such shouldn't have any interactions with "real" objects, even moreso in a video game.
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2012-11-10, 17:51 | Link #43 | |
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that is correct, it's a high lvl illusion spell which changes your appearance to that of a monster, your new stats are based on your originals stats. Since most players don't have very high stats, they get lame monsters, Kirito, however, has almost maxed out stats (1000), so the form accommodates his stats
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2012-11-10, 18:09 | Link #47 |
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Except it isn't SAO, and that Kayaba explicitely created the unique skills so they serve as heroes against him as the last boss.
If the unique abilities were still there, ALO Kirito would still have Dual Wielding, which does not exist in ALO, which means RECT did remove them. As result, there is no reason to think the Spriggan illusion spell is one of these.
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2012-11-10, 18:09 | Link #48 | |
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Though I think the term 'illusion' is used more as the categorizing of the spell than referencing the actual mechanic. |
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2012-11-10, 18:15 | Link #49 | |
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Also you're giving Kayaba too much credit as there are clearly things going on in his game that he isn't even aware of |
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2012-11-10, 18:21 | Link #50 | |
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2012-11-10, 18:24 | Link #51 |
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Indeed. The technique Kirito used falls much more into a "transformation" or "morphing" category. If it was just an illusion, it would only affect the perception what the foes see. A true illusion spell in a technical sense wouldn't have had the extra reach or loss of swords, the monster would just be this giant phantom that can't do anything other than intimidate it's foes.
The fake wall Lyfa created earlier on was a much better example of an illusion. It looked like something was there, but it was completely intangible because they could walk through it with no effort. It's also unlikely this is a unique skill again. Like Clarste said, Lyfa has knowledge of other players using the exact same spell.
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2012-11-10, 18:24 | Link #52 |
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I don't think he deleted his unique skill if he has one, that is not conducive to an exciting, evolving plot.
I would think it's still there as ??? waiting to be unleashed at a dramatic, intense, life on the line, others need to be saved moment! |
2012-11-10, 18:30 | Link #53 | ||
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And you are giving way too much credits to the link, simply because the frame of ALO is based on SAO, considering how obviously different the games are, in regards to gameplay, stats, damage formula etc. Quote:
Also, "Heathcliff" had a unique skill, which no matter how you look at it, wasn't a coincidence.
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2012-11-10, 18:52 | Link #54 | |
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It's becoming obvious from this arc that Kirito seems to have moments of PTSD where he forgets that the game is now a game, and death doesn't mean death..
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2012-11-10, 19:00 | Link #55 | |
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2012-11-10, 19:08 | Link #56 | |
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Exactly, he doesn't need it at all. Remember...what purpose did the Dual Wielding have in SAO? It didn't put your offhand as a weaponequip-able hand but it instead made sword arts with both weapons possible. The concept of dual wielding itself could anyone use, there just were no sword skills for both weapons at the same time (sth like Starbust Stream) BUT: In ALO sword skills don't exist to begin with so his entire unique skill would be useless in there. |
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2012-11-10, 19:09 | Link #57 |
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My impression was that the illusion spell didn't change any of his attacks, but just the appearance and the reach thanks to the form being much bigger. So his attacks were doing the same amount of damage as they would have done in normal form. It was more the intimidation that caused the defenders to break rank.
I liked the bit about Kirito talking about how he wants to play an mmo. Although it's not just the effect your actions have on yourself, but you have to remember that you are playing with real people. It's unfortunately common in mmo's for people to treat others as if they were npcs, either forgetting or not caring that there's a real human being behind the character. |
2012-11-10, 19:30 | Link #60 |
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Regarding the "Illusion Magic", I agree with the explanation that it's a bit more than an illusion, but it doesn't change your fundamental stats. That would be why the leader said that it only increases his reach, but they can still defend themselves if they stay in formation. The problem was that he used his reach (and their frightened state) to beat their formation and so his SAO "cheater" stats were enough to wipe them out easily. So it's a bit unfair to call it only an "illusion", but perhaps no one has been able to take advantage of it the way he can due to his high stats (so if it were a normal player, even being in that large form wouldn't do them much good without any stat benefit beyond reach; they don't realize he has such high stats). (Edit: Actually, they do realize he has high stats, since that's why they sent the big party, but I guess they forgot that the formation couldn't stop him if he changed into his monster form.)
When they had the conversation before the OP, I was sort of facepalming a bit when Leafa said "your illusion magic just might save us one day", but for it to happen so soon was a bit... That aside, we're really seeing a bit of a different flavour of Kirito in this game -- his real "gamer" side is coming through a lot more. I was of half a mind that he only told Leafa to stand back because he wanted to try his super move because it seemed cool. His excitement after the fact seemed to bear that out. The way his blackmailed the scrub for info was also pretty funny. (I take it that he needed to build up some sort of gauge before he could use the spell, or there was some sort of timer, otherwise he could have just used that right at the start of the battle. It seemed like he needed to wait for the right moment.) I agree that in some ways it seems like he's taking a detour, but at the same time it's not like he actually knows for sure that Asuna's even there, and as was pointed out just getting there doesn't mean he can get there. Besides, if he helps Leafa out, maybe he can get more allies, which he might need. So it seems like a reasonable thing to me given the circumstance and what he knows. Of course, we know more than he does too. And last but not least, Kirito's pretty damn unfair going on his big "cool" speeches, telling girls he loves them (as a friend) and grabbing their hand (because he's embarrassed)... he's way too smooth an operator for someone who (in a sense of it) is already married. I'm feeling more and more sorry for Suguha with each passing episode; fate is not nice to her at all. His biting her hand wasn't "sexual harassment", it was just plain harassment -- a bad joke that he didn't really think through. (Ironically, it's the sort of prank a brother might pull on their little sister...)
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