2013-02-01, 22:03 | Link #442 | |
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Likewise, characters disappearing into oblivion I don't really mind, but it would be sweet if the author or the staff reveals something interesting about that character, no matter how little. There is a reason people revere Eiichiro Oda as one of the Manga Trinity or something. HE NEVER FORGETS. EVAR. Character abuse, hmm... Men are the expendable gender, and... some people really like to bash characters (and especially MAIN characters) just because they are losers. And here somebody doesn't like characters being beaten just because they are losers in-universe. I don't mean to offend you, man, but it's pretty much double standard, don't you think? Women beating up men is a double standard as well. Female empowerment, remember? And it's not as if men are innocent of beating up women in real life. But well, I think that's fine if the guy did something perverted or really horrible intentionally. If it's just an accident, however (which happens like 9 out of 10 times), the girl should just damn understand it's an accident! Last edited by judasmartel; 2013-02-01 at 22:16. |
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I'm not sure if these guys should live up to the same standard since they are heroes of action anime, but yeah, I'm fairly certain that I would dislike a character for not meeting my expectations. But I guess I have too low standards for a main character, so I might like the character that most people don't, but not the character that they do. Quote:
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2013-02-02, 01:14 | Link #445 | |
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I kid, I kid. It really depends on the characteristics of the "loser", dare I say, some fictional losers certainly deserve it.
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For example, Shinji Ikari is a widely hated character, but I don't particularly harbor much ill will since his motives are fairly defined and somewhat interesting. Although there's some degree of "not this shit again", it's not nearly as bad. Quote:
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2013-02-02, 12:56 | Link #448 |
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The trope "Abuse Is Ok When Its Female On Male " is already bad enough. The version I absolutly cannot stand is when the female does a mistake and then just violently blames the male for it, because reasons.
However the worst kind of double standard in anime/manga I know is "Girls are always right because they are girls." Example: A girl does something stupid. A boy complains about that rightfully. Everyone else get into rage mode how the boy "doesn't consider the girl's feelings" and try to make him look like a villain. If a boy did the mistake instead, everyone would just rage at him. Well on the other side of the spectrum: The girls become nothing more than glorified "sex-objects". Their only function is attracting readers/watchers. THIS is the part that is probably intended by the authors. Compared to that, the abused males are just "tacked-on slapstick comedy" that are supposed to divert from the obvious sexism. I call this whole package "political correct sexism". And that is exactly what 90% of harem Manga/Anime are.
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2013-02-02, 16:58 | Link #451 |
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I'm fairly certain that was almost a staple comic style for the Popeye and other Western Animations in the middle of the century (long before political correctness ever happened). Guy does something like look at another woman, and gets beat up. Woman looks and another guy and usually nothing happens. Though it depends on when. In the 1920s and 1930s it might lead to a spanking, or if there is another woman and fight.
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2013-02-02, 22:13 | Link #452 | |
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Yes, I was like It was a pretty refreshing thing to see. Not surprising either though because Ikeyamada Go (the manga-ka) likes to do her smut shoujo manga differently from the others... (that's why she's one of my favorites)
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2013-02-03, 21:09 | Link #457 |
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I don't like overpowered characters who win their fights too easily (i.e. in anticlimatic fashion), whether by themselves, with help from friends (and rivals), or by Ass Pull or Deus Ex Machina. This is the reason I can't bring myself to watch SAO, no matter how popular it is.
Kirito doesn't ever lose a fight, and when he does, it's against a minor character (namely, his sister) we will never see again. His fans don't care about all that because it makes sense in-universe. Kayaba? He disabled his invincibility flag so Kirito could fight him fair and square (this is otherwise impossible if he didn't, so this should get a pass, right?). Sugou? Same deal, Kayaba disabled his invincibility flag. The tree? Okay, he lost the first time alright, but that still didn't convince me. There are more other fights where he had help from the system to defeat overpowered foes that I pull out my hair and think "WTH is so special about him that he gets a lot of help from the system? He's actually pretty weak without it despite 2 years of experience." It probably didn't help that some Kirito fans like to bash Haru from Accel World because Haru is fat, wimpy, and weak and Kirito is thin, cool, and strong. But again, 99% of anime is all about thin and lanky guys. So what now ? It's okay to be wimpy if you're Shinji Ikari or Shu Ouma, but not if you're Haruyuki Arita? If you're going to give me an awesome MC, at least give me one who wins his fights HARD through good tactics and sheer effort and force of will, and yet loses his own share of fights to more powerful or more experienced foes. That's why I loved Kosuke Ueki, Naruto Uzumaki, Monkey D. Luffy, and Touma Kamijou. All of these are thin and lanky, yes, but at least they're cool and badass yet victories aren't handed to them on a silver platter. |
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