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Meanwhile I only study 4-6 Hour in school at max yet still become a top student. the difference between Asian and international school surely different. thought i done lot of after school activity like robotic and student council/perfect
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I know because I was one. I was at best an average student in Japan. I came to US and enrolled in highschool here, and was instantly among the highest achieving student in math and science. I wasn't smart. The education level in the school was a complete joke.
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2013-03-12, 08:44 | Link #3103 |
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I think you guys are all misconstruing something. The educational training in elementary, (middle) and highschool are much harsher and stricter in Asian countries. There is also more of an emphasis on static learning and often times rote memorization. aohige even said himself, he wasn't "smart" (not saying I agree, I'm just saying he said it) but that he had already learned more advanced things than his contemporaries had learned. That said, I agree that North American schools (I heard European is even easier) are easy as hell, but the focus is teaching everyone not weeding out the best and brightest necessarily.. The best and brightest tend to rise to the top themselves.. And those that simply perform academically well, most of them tend to live pretty mediocre lives (and my life isn't anything special either! And I still enjoy their company!). Also, don't forget, basically every school (even public school) has "gifted" streams for the super intelligent, and skipping grades is always an option. I had a 17 year old girl in my undergraduate business school classes. Having traveled, worked, and met executives and the like, I'm generally disappointed at the level of intellect that I see among the elite.
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2013-03-12, 08:49 | Link #3104 | |
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My friend, who was one of the better students here is now in a US uni. He's suffering
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thought I prefer western/international education. instead having "memorization" only lesson. We have variety of leaning style like making a poster, a production, and some group project. The teacher also kinder and have more personality. I even had "Chuni" teacher here Quote:
Also because of asian is used to "memorization" style leaning. they will struggle when doing their Uni coursework because they not used to it
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Instead of making its average citizens smarter, it focuses on the "good" seeds of the population and strengthen it more. Naturally, this means the higher education systems are very advanced. It's one of the reason the stereotype of "In America we have geniuses and dumbasses. Nothing in between." comes from. Quote:
The American education system is "lower the bar to the lower end, so everyone can feel they accomplished school.. even if that means lowering the average. But focus on the brightest, and polish them to be the leaders." In comparison, Japanese (and many other Asian nation) focus on bringing that "average" up, and uniforming the standard of knowledge of all students. To do this, they focus on raising the low achievers, instead of bring the bar down. The advantage of the former method is higher number of extremely talented geniuses, while the advantage of latter is overall balance of educated citizens.
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2013-03-12, 09:22 | Link #3107 | |
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Not in ridiculously high entry bars since Asia excels in this anyway, but in the process of tertiary education. Not sure how that applies to Japan's unis though since they are supposed to be the cream of this side of the globe
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2013-03-12, 09:35 | Link #3109 | |
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If I recall (aside from skipping 80% of my classes in most of my highschool "career") my favourite courses when I did go to school were Psychology, History, Comparative Civilizations, TPE (Transportation, Power & Engineering) and Physics. The reason I mention this is the average "Asian student" I've met perform better academically -- but only because they learn more advanced topics sooner (especially Math & Physics) -- most Asian highschool graduates I find are generally not anymore knowledgeable in general than their Canadian contemporaries. I don't live in the U.S. so I can't speak about that, albeit some of my good friends go to the U.S. Universities. This reminds me of a debate I was having with my fiance: "Do you tell children at a young age that they can do anything? Or do you try to ground them and get them to be more realistic?" -- I believe a mix, primarily the latter, but with an emphasis that "most things" are much easier than they may appear.
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2013-03-12, 10:41 | Link #3111 | |
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It's really hard to say. Both models have much pros and cons. The asian method, IMO, produces a much more "solid" society of capable citizens, but the American university produce technology advancing elites. Both are necessary component of human advancement.
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2013-03-12, 10:45 | Link #3112 | |
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2013-03-12, 15:54 | Link #3114 |
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Most of the scientists and engineers who powered the technological boom in America during the Fifties and Sixties were born in this country. There were some foreigners mixed in, but they often came from Europe, not Asia. Here's a good introduction to those nice young men in white shirts and narrow ties that transformed the world: http://video.pbs.org/video/2332168287.
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2013-03-12, 16:24 | Link #3115 | |
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Compared to descriptions I've heard about the Chinese system, for instance, we Americans barely scratch the surface. In China they never use calculators. Every theoretical concept they learn gets backed up by literally volumes of homework. All formulas get memorized and recited* You have to be able to fully support your answers on a test with work. If you don't understand the material, you will be made to understand it through various pressures. Sounds tough but it does ensure that most everyone will learn math. *=one of the reasons why I think that "rote memorization", which is derided in the west, is in fact the most important learning method. |
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What I've heard from my friends though is that the grade inflation is starting to creep into the US Undergraduate programs as well, with too many people scoring A's, such that the GPA tends to be overly inflated. The situation changes at the postgraduate level, where US universities still remain the apex of innovation, with extremely high funding and more rigorous programs. In contrast, Australian postgraduate education is nothing more than a cashcow, with programs that simply rehash the undergraduate syllabi.
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2013-03-14, 08:48 | Link #3117 |
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I was just wondering how accurate this article was on the way history is taught in Japan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068
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2013-03-14, 08:51 | Link #3118 | |
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2013-03-14, 09:40 | Link #3119 | |
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The number of people in my bio-science course who are like this....Astounding
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I don't hate rote memorisation because it has its uses and can be fun (I once challenged a friend to memorising pi - he hit 100 digits and I got stuck at 40), but I am quite disgusted that these people are those who often get scholarships or are the top of the class; yet they don't seem to care much about the beauty of the subjects they study and the utility of it. They are the ones destroying our world of science without the propensity to explore deeper. Quote:
The base of a good project is always a good idea, without the guts and the creativity, what use is that knowledge? I would rather someone at our polytechnics create a new strain of Ebola virus that reanimates corpses than to hand up lazily recreated projects from the internet (though resource can be quite an issue - ever thought of stealing from the school labs?).
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