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melina_putri · 2013-05-09, 18:16

What I mean by rushing is how they're going to handle the battle preparations against the rest of Septentrions (Megrez, Alioth, Mizar and Benetsnatch), not the route subplots.

There are some things to do first in the game before we can fight them, unlike the first three Septentrions so far (Dubhe, Merak, and Phecda) we only need to enter the battles without doing anything special.

Blizzard · 2013-05-09, 18:16

On an unrelated note, is it just me or did the way Alcor said it sounded like they were BOTH still shining ones. As in present tense, at the same time. I'm pretty sure Alcor must've disowned Yamato in the game what with trying to get him killed and all so what's the deal?

But then Makoto said Yamato could've died trying to get there and Alcor pretty much forced his hand. Does that still count as a murder attempt? And a terminal related one at that.

Or is "Shining One" literally a thing Alcor doesn't have a say in choosing or denouncing and not just some random strong person who happens to pique his interest? I'm kinda fuzzy on details here?

Shadow5YA · 2013-05-09, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Blizzard

On an unrelated note, is it just me or did the way Alcor said it sounded like they were BOTH still shining ones. As in present tense, at the same time. I'm pretty sure Alcor must've disowned Yamato in the game what with trying to get him killed and all so what's the deal?

But then Makoto said Yamato could've died trying to get there and Alcor pretty much forced his hand. Does that still count as a murder attempt? And a terminal related one at that.

Or is "Shining One" literally a thing Alcor doesn't have a say in choosing or denouncing and not just some random strong person who happens to pique his interest? I'm kinda fuzzy on details here?

If I recall correctly, "Shining One" was just the general term used by the Anguished One to show his praise for human potential, with the protagonist being the prime example of that (and because he didn't really have a canon name back then).

shmaster · 2013-05-09, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Blizzard

On an unrelated note, is it just me or did the way Alcor said it sounded like they were BOTH still shining ones. As in present tense, at the same time. I'm pretty sure Alcor must've disowned Yamato in the game what with trying to get him killed and all so what's the deal?

I think it is pretty obvious Al had disowned Yamato by their conversation last episode.

Dengar · 2013-05-09, 19:49

Personally I don't think today's conversation changes how Yamato is only a former shining one. Since it seems pretty clear to me that Alcor isn't seeing that sparkle anymore.

Kimidori · 2013-05-10, 08:06

I'm not happy with how they portray MC in the anime now, too impulsive and thoughtless, not the calm and collected one like in the game. he feel too much like an idiot now, I don't see why Alcor chose him as Shining one in the anime. in the game, MC feel like someone who might rival Yamato, in the anime, an angsty kid who make stupid decision after stupid decision, charge head on to a Septentrion without any real plan.

still, looking forward Megrez and Alioth fight, I expect them to be more destructive and more of an Apocalypse monster than Merak.

eiyuu99 · 2013-05-10, 08:12

Both are Shining Ones,

Spoiler:

Hibiki's first teleportation on Day 4 in the game also have risks. It was mentioned he could have lost a leg or arm then.

Blizzard · 2013-05-10, 12:14

I'd say Hibiki is not impulsive enough instead. He's acting too unsure about everything and he's constantly questioning the motives of people around him. His internal monologue is downright painful sometimes as rare as it thankfully is.

It wouldn't hurt if he was a bit more decisive about things that do not involve protecting people. He keeps throwing himself in the line of fire after the initial mess with Keita. About two dozens of survivor guilt and trauma tropes are in effect after that one. Basically he's going full tilt Spiderman minus the sass plus the bunny ears.

And why do those ears look so darn evildarkcool in the new Break Record model and so lame in the anime? Either way I think I still like him a lot if only because he know too well he doesn't have a proper grasp of the situation unlike most overconfident anime protagonists who keep assuming stuff.

shmaster · 2013-05-10, 13:53

Another thing I don't like about Hibiki is his confidence, and getting swayed by the flaw all the time.
In game, he is proactive, taking the matter into his own hand.
And we see how Yamato praise him all the time for getting things done, or even outright surprised at him disocering the secrets he had not revealed.
Really, the aniem Hibki is just so.... useless.

Gundamx · 2013-05-10, 14:19

true to be told in game you can choose your answer...

Blizzard · 2013-05-10, 14:59

Also it's an Atlus game and localization of those tend to change whatever they can get away with without completely screwing over the plot. All in all there's a good change minimum third of those answers didn't exist in original Japanese. Mostly joke ones.

That and in the game, player character was also your p.o.v. character and you played as him going after clues, gaining a sense of achievement, piecing together the plot on your own. His job was basically to do everything while others were plot devices for his progress. It was a role playing game.

Here he's the main character but you're not stuck with him so the story can progress from many directions and Hibiki can be just another characters with problems and insecurities of his own instead of the all competent mouthpiece for the players. I personally think this works better for the medium.

Also someone hold me I might go into essay mode over Hibiki. I'M IN THE MOOD! *screams silently*

shmaster · 2013-05-10, 15:09

Hibiki's dialogue choice in game?
Actually, many of those were not the alternation of the trans, but really that way from the original game, including the classic "pervert!"
I am highly disappointed that they didn't include it in the anime.

Kimidori · 2013-05-10, 15:12

@Blizzard go for it!

Destined_Fate · 2013-05-10, 15:12

Ah, Hibiki calling Makoto a pervert when she wasn't even in the room... Loved that you could do stuff like that in the game.

The anime really could use far more humor for Hibiki, for sure.

Blizzard · 2013-05-10, 15:14

They can't really change "pervert" without changing the context but I'd kill to have it in the anime. If only they settled down for the night uneventfully at the HQ for once @w@ Go the hell back to Tokyo Hibiki.

@Kimidori: Don't tempt me gosh

Shadow5YA · 2013-05-10, 20:12

Someone had a screenshot collage with all of Hibiki's funny dialogue choices in the game. I should go find it.

Will edit when I do.

EDIT: Aha! Found it!

Images

awww yeeaaahh!

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

JohnNiles · 2013-05-10, 22:28

*chants Essay! Essay! Essay!*

I'm a couple episodes behind, gotta catch up but I'm still jittery over some of the earlier directorial decisions.

Angelic Cross · 2013-05-10, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Someone had a screenshot collage with all of Hibiki's funny dialogue choices in the game. I should go find it.

Will edit when I do.

EDIT: Aha! Found it!

Images

awww yeeaaahh!

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

Ugh, this just reminds me of how utterly BORING Hibiki is compared to what you can do with the MC in the game.

Kimidori · 2013-05-11, 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Someone had a screenshot collage with all of Hibiki's funny dialogue choices in the game. I should go find it.

Will edit when I do.

EDIT: Aha! Found it!

Images

awww yeeaaahh!

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

still pic missing some of the best.

like this

p-kun · 2013-05-11, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Gundamx

true to be told in game you can choose your answer...

But even the least inspiring answers you can choose are still much better than the angst ridden dialogue in the anime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blizzard

Also it's an Atlus game and localization of those tend to change whatever they can get away with without completely screwing over the plot. All in all there's a good change minimum third of those answers didn't exist in original Japanese. Mostly joke ones.

I played the game both in Japanese and in English, and translated the endings. I can assure you the english translation is faithful even the jokes (Jungo's dialogue is the only exception as his IQ was increased in the localization).

The anime dialogue is so dry, for lack of better word.

2013-05-10, 08:06	Link #86
Kimidori The Opened Ultimate Gate Join Date: Dec 2011 Age: 29	I'm not happy with how they portray MC in the anime now, too impulsive and thoughtless, not the calm and collected one like in the game. he feel too much like an idiot now, I don't see why Alcor chose him as Shining one in the anime. in the game, MC feel like someone who might rival Yamato, in the anime, an angsty kid who make stupid decision after stupid decision, charge head on to a Septentrion without any real plan. still, looking forward Megrez and Alioth fight, I expect them to be more destructive and more of an Apocalypse monster than Merak. __________________

2013-05-10, 08:12	Link #87
eiyuu99 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Both are Shining Ones, Spoiler: except Yamato already pledged allegiance to Polaris. Hibiki gets the choice on AO's Fate Level 4 event on Day 6. Hibiki's first teleportation on Day 4 in the game also have risks. It was mentioned he could have lost a leg or arm then.

2013-05-10, 15:12	Link #93
Kimidori The Opened Ultimate Gate Join Date: Dec 2011 Age: 29	@Blizzard go for it! __________________

2013-05-10, 20:12	Link #96
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Someone had a screenshot collage with all of Hibiki's funny dialogue choices in the game. I should go find it. Will edit when I do. EDIT: Aha! Found it! Images awww yeeaaahh! Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2013-05-10 at 22:31.

2013-05-09, 18:16	Link #81
melina_putri Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	What I mean by rushing is how they're going to handle the battle preparations against the rest of Septentrions (Megrez, Alioth, Mizar and Benetsnatch), not the route subplots. There are some things to do first in the game before we can fight them, unlike the first three Septentrions so far (Dubhe, Merak, and Phecda) we only need to enter the battles without doing anything special.

2013-05-09, 18:16	Link #82
Blizzard KIRABOSHI☆!!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	On an unrelated note, is it just me or did the way Alcor said it sounded like they were BOTH still shining ones. As in present tense, at the same time. I'm pretty sure Alcor must've disowned Yamato in the game what with trying to get him killed and all so what's the deal? But then Makoto said Yamato could've died trying to get there and Alcor pretty much forced his hand. Does that still count as a murder attempt? And a terminal related one at that. Or is "Shining One" literally a thing Alcor doesn't have a say in choosing or denouncing and not just some random strong person who happens to pique his interest? I'm kinda fuzzy on details here?

2013-05-09, 19:49	Link #85
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Personally I don't think today's conversation changes how Yamato is only a former shining one. Since it seems pretty clear to me that Alcor isn't seeing that sparkle anymore.

2013-05-10, 12:14	Link #88
Blizzard KIRABOSHI☆!!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	I'd say Hibiki is not impulsive enough instead. He's acting too unsure about everything and he's constantly questioning the motives of people around him. His internal monologue is downright painful sometimes as rare as it thankfully is. It wouldn't hurt if he was a bit more decisive about things that do not involve protecting people. He keeps throwing himself in the line of fire after the initial mess with Keita. About two dozens of survivor guilt and trauma tropes are in effect after that one. Basically he's going full tilt Spiderman minus the sass plus the bunny ears. And why do those ears look so darn evildarkcool in the new Break Record model and so lame in the anime? Either way I think I still like him a lot if only because he know too well he doesn't have a proper grasp of the situation unlike most overconfident anime protagonists who keep assuming stuff.

2013-05-10, 13:53	Link #89
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Another thing I don't like about Hibiki is his confidence, and getting swayed by the flaw all the time. In game, he is proactive, taking the matter into his own hand. And we see how Yamato praise him all the time for getting things done, or even outright surprised at him disocering the secrets he had not revealed. Really, the aniem Hibki is just so.... useless.

2013-05-10, 14:19	Link #90
Gundamx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	true to be told in game you can choose your answer...

2013-05-10, 14:59	Link #91
Blizzard KIRABOSHI☆!!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	Also it's an Atlus game and localization of those tend to change whatever they can get away with without completely screwing over the plot. All in all there's a good change minimum third of those answers didn't exist in original Japanese. Mostly joke ones. That and in the game, player character was also your p.o.v. character and you played as him going after clues, gaining a sense of achievement, piecing together the plot on your own. His job was basically to do everything while others were plot devices for his progress. It was a role playing game. Here he's the main character but you're not stuck with him so the story can progress from many directions and Hibiki can be just another characters with problems and insecurities of his own instead of the all competent mouthpiece for the players. I personally think this works better for the medium. Also someone hold me I might go into essay mode over Hibiki. I'M IN THE MOOD! screams silently

2013-05-10, 15:09	Link #92
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Hibiki's dialogue choice in game? Actually, many of those were not the alternation of the trans, but really that way from the original game, including the classic "pervert!" I am highly disappointed that they didn't include it in the anime.

2013-05-10, 15:12	Link #94
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Ah, Hibiki calling Makoto a pervert when she wasn't even in the room... Loved that you could do stuff like that in the game. The anime really could use far more humor for Hibiki, for sure.

2013-05-10, 15:14	Link #95
Blizzard KIRABOSHI☆!!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	They can't really change "pervert" without changing the context but I'd kill to have it in the anime. If only they settled down for the night uneventfully at the HQ for once @w@ Go the hell back to Tokyo Hibiki. @Kimidori: Don't tempt me gosh

2013-05-10, 22:28	Link #97
JohnNiles Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011	chants Essay! Essay! Essay! I'm a couple episodes behind, gotta catch up but I'm still jittery over some of the earlier directorial decisions.