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2013-09-14, 02:17 | Link #324 |
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Just like how everyone chose him if the health bar or time run out right? Just that this time we got to see the execution sequence. I understand that everyone chose him in this case, but the reason to me is because a decision was not made before the time runs out.
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2013-09-14, 02:46 | Link #326 | |
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mukuro become junko, mukuro died. mukuro's corpse appear in chapter 5, then KABOOM while junko already sitting nothing wrong with dat
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2013-09-14, 08:46 | Link #327 | |
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Spoiler for DR-IF:
Due to her being 'underwhelming' in contrast to the real junko enoshima (who does indeed look like in the magazine shots) most viewers thought she'd die first. Monokuma also needed to show them the consequences of breaking the rules, so he killed her instead of 'locking her up' like he previously proclaimed. Junko later used her sister's body to fake a crime, making it look like the cause of death was her being hit on the back of her head, and set the body on fire using a Monokuma bomb in order to conceal her true identity. So yeah the true solution to case 5 is Real junko killed Fake Junko in front of everyone.
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2013-09-18, 00:44 | Link #331 |
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Since the anime just covered trial 5, I might as well get this rant out of the way. Even taking in to account Monobear shortening the deliberation time, it bugged me how no one pointed out the problems in Kirigiri's attempts to blame Naegi for Mukuro's death.
-Once they established that the knife didn't kill Mukuro, Kirigiri was basically arguing that Naegi killed without the knife, then put the knife (which everyone knew was under his safekeeping) in the corpse, making himself a prime suspect. Even Hakagure wouldn't be that stupid. -After meeting Asahina in the cafeteria around 7:00, it's possible to immediately follow her to the gym; she even asks him to carry something, and when Naegi gets there she doesn't say anything about him taking a long time. Yet Kirigiri's argument rests on the idea that after seeing Asahina, Naegi went up to the garden, put in the knife, killed the chicken, and so forth, and then came down. Even with a conservative estimate, that would have taken a significant amount of time. -When the group got to the headmaster's office, Togami asked someone to get the axe in the garden shed. If Naegi had known about the corpse, he could have volunteered to go, delaying the corpse discovery. The fact that he didn't would be odd if he killed Mukuro. Heck, Naegi had plenty of chances to put the corpse somewhere else instead of the complicated sprinkler-related coverup that made him a prime suspect. -After finding the corpse, Togami quickly started suspecting Naegi, and straight out demanded if Naegi's desire to enter Kirigiri's room was part of a coverup. Yet in the trial, he quickly accepts Kirigiri's theory that Naegi managed to plant the locker key on a table in the middle of the room without him noticing (when Togami would have been watching Naegi like a hawk). TLDR version: even without knowledge of the master key, the others should have been able to spot a bunch of problems with Kirigiri's claims. |
2013-09-18, 04:06 | Link #332 |
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^ only thing wrong : Hagakure is an outright idiot and has the possibility of committing such idiotic moves.
Kirigiri's a ghost! I'll just write Fukawa in the magazine! That's not a candy wrapper, just some trash! Dabe dabe dabe dabe dabe.........AREMA! |
2013-09-18, 12:38 | Link #333 | |
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I don't kno how many mystery Novels and series read or watch, but a culprit deliberately laying out clues making him to most suspicious to a point that he is already too suspicious isn't that rare AD2) Their Argument is that the murder happened before 7 am, and as kirigiri noted one could have used the Vynil sheet to make sure the corpse stays dry. Adding the blood to the scene only takes a few moments AD3) If you plan on casting suspicion off you by making yourself highly suspicious, not delaying them finding the corpse would make even less sense. Also why delaying the findings in the first place when there is a giant plant that eats pretty much eveerything right behind you? AD4) Whether you watch someone like a hawk or not, he had to unlock the door which was more than enough time to get the key out of his pockets and pretend to have found it later. As you can see Kirigiri's theory makes more sense than it looks like.
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2013-09-19, 15:46 | Link #335 |
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Exactly. Hence why I said it was even more obvious.
To make things worse, they just half baked the whole deal with Mukuro's corpse. They didn't even mention before the wounds, so...
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2013-09-19, 15:56 | Link #336 |
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To gamers who haven't seen the episode yet :
Treat it just like the trial episodes where they skipped all investigations and let the answers come out on their own during the trial. This episode was made with the premise of revealing Junko as Mastermind as the cliffhanger. If you think of it this way, it is much much more enjoyable. |
2013-09-21, 15:12 | Link #337 | |
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And I don't think there's any time for any average anime only watcher to figure out that Enoshima looks "totes different from the one they met before" (not to mention she looks pretty much the way she does in the credits picture). Of course this point is moot since she's revealed at the end of the episode anyway. |
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2013-09-21, 15:39 | Link #338 |
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They didn't mention it prior this episode, meaning there wasn't any chance for the audience to reason "where this corpse could come from" during the fake class trial. The point is that this was introduced in chapter 5 in order to give a fair hint that "another cause of death" could be possible.
Here, we just got 2 min before the final trial that "oh wait, there are multiple wounds!" by Genocider. Byakuya and Kyouko failing to notice that is baffling to many levels.
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