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View Poll Results: Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai! - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 33.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 31 | 31.31% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 20.20% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 9.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 2.02% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.01% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.01% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 2.02% | |
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2012-12-18, 05:37 | Link #161 | |||||||||||||||||||
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He used a direct appeal to her chuunibyou tendencies. Later on, we see him come through on what he had promised Rikka in return for her successfully saving the club via Math test performance. Then Rikka smiled again, in a smile that was probably even more euphoric than the avatar image I put up Quote:
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Yuuta deserves a lot of credit, to be sure, but I honestly think you're starting to overstate it now. Quote:
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Rikka likely would never have even noticed Yuuta if not for his "Dark Flame Master" acting out. Quote:
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Here's one problem, though - We don't know exactly what Yuuta shouted at Rikka. And I think that's partly why this debate we're in has a touch of confusion to it. Given the extreme Rikka has gone to since that event, I'm inclined to think that Yuuta shouted something much stronger than "Rikka, you have to start acting normal more often! Especially around your family!" But then again, we don't know exactly what he shouted. Perhaps you think he didn't say anything terribly harsh. As for me, I don't know, but I do know that Rikka's reaction to it has been dramatic, and pretty extreme. It doesn't seem to me like Yuuta gave Rikka any leeway for even occasional embracing of chuunibyou. Quote:
Comparing Rikka's condition to something that drastically effects the body itself (such as alcoholism or heroine addiction) is simply absurd. It is an highly improper analogy. The only thing ridiculous is people actually insisting on such a horrible analogy. Quote:
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I've always felt that Rikka needed an "off switch". I felt that way even before this show turned dramatic.
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2012-12-18, 07:43 | Link #163 |
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Not like this. Chuunibyou isn't an actual sickness or some undesired mental condition, it's a phase of childhood that you grow out of naturally. That's why all this "force them to face reality" stuff is needlessly harsh and unwarranted.
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2012-12-19, 00:17 | Link #165 | |
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The problem I has with saying that Rikka has no trouble with her chuunibyou behavior is similar to what you has trouble with saying Rikka is the main factor for her family's problem, I believe. The lack of proofs denying its existence does not imply it does exist. Well, it's slightly different. Here would be "The lack of proofs for its existence does not imply it does not exist." In my view, the analogy would be "I have never hears it quacks. I have never seen it walks, and I have never seen its whole body." Is it possible that it is not a duck? Yes. Would I conclude that it is not a duck? Not yet. You raise a good point, though. Speculating is part of the fun. I guess I comes from the point of view that unless the competing theories can be eliminated, I should not argue for my preferred theory. And right now I still cannot eliminate other possibilities. On another topic, I found that fact that Rikka falling back to her chuunibyou fantasy as the last line of defense when cornered emotionally is precisely the problem. Get rid of that practice and she's good to go. Using the phase "her chuunibyou get worse" is a bad choice on my part. In the train scene, I agree that she was normal, but that was because all of her family-problem-catalysts (hometown, grandparents, Touka, etc.) were already out of sight. Last edited by Hyper; 2012-12-19 at 00:18. Reason: No -> Not yet |
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2013-01-01, 15:07 | Link #168 |
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Just saw the ep, and I'm honestly surprised it started such a debate. I thought it was going down to more "meh" - personnally, I found it painfully melodramatic.
I think the core problem is that the serie is firmly rooted in "anime world" on one side (the hilarious slapstick, the way the weirdness of people, despite being the main subject of the show, are still MUCH more tolerated than they would be in real life, etc.), but also attempt to grab a "realist" one on the other side. As such, there is a conflict on the actual degree of gravity we are supposed to perceive the chuunbyou problem : Are we supposed to evaluate the seriousness with the criteria of anime-land (where it's rather funny, full of anthics and the like), in which case some might see the attempts to push Rikka out of her delusions as cruel and oppressively formatting ? Or are we supposed to evaluate the seriousness with the criteria of actual real life (where someone who has spent years in complete delusion is NO JOKE AT ALL and is in fact the case of a VERY SERIOUS mental problem), in which case dragging Rikka out of her fantasy is the only responsible thing to do, even though it will very obviously be very painful for her at first. The anime gives constantly conflicting messages about it. It's using both anime-land and reality criteria in several instances. And anyway, despite this, it seems very obvious that Rikka situation, even in anime-land, is very serious. If she's so lifeless now, it's rather a proof that her delusions have eaten her real personality, and kicking her out of them is more exposing the damage already done than really breaking her. It was hard to feel bad because I felt like the episode tried to make me think "see, she's unhappy, she really need to have her delirium back, it was a mistake to remove it from her", while what I felt was more "look at how broken she is now after years of being eaten by her delirium". It's a bit like if the episode shown someone being pushed to quit on smoking, being cranky and irritable, and attempting to make me feel "look at how much nicer he was when he was smoking, it's cruel to deprive him of his cigarette, hopefully he'll start again for the final". |
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