Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

I don't understand what you mean. When are you referring to and what makes you think he didn't run a background check?

No head dragon looked in to him and with in a day found the following

"One day, we will avenge ourselves upon the Japanese military, but first we must get rid of that kid."

"You're talking about the son of a bitch who ruined our entire plan?"

"Shiba Tatsuya right? Who is this guy?"

"Well... We don't know all the details. We could only find his name, address, school, and appearance. Forget family situation, we couldn't even get a list of family members. Only thing we know about his parents is that they are employed, all others remain in the dark. Likewise, we have no personal data beyond normal every day trivialities."

"The hell? This country counts as one of the countries with extensive personal databases on the international stage. Even looking at the civilian databases should yield at least some data, isn't this extremely odd?"

"Maybe we should see this as instead of classifying personal data, anything related to 'Shiba Tatsuya' has been systematically erased. I can't think of any other possibility."

The high-ranking members at the No Head Dragon eastern Japanese branch peered at their compatriot who spoke up and wordlessly glanced at one another.

"...Maybe he's not an ordinary high school student...?"

"If they wanted to systematically alter every personal database at the civilian level, this would require exceptional clearance at the highest level. Otherwise, they need the influence to intervene at the highest level of government."

"Seriously, who is it...?"

Tatsuya also belives that if he was investagated useing his identity to claim the credit for flight magic his faimily ties would be discovered.

"The investigative powers of the Magic Universities are very high. The gossip sites masquerading as news sites of normal media organizations can't even begin to come close. They're almost comparable to military or intelligence agencies.

Developers of new magic in addition to being given access to the resources of the Universities are also granted various privileges, but their identity is also examined in detail. It's in order to root out national spies and terrorists. It's an investigation on a totally different level to high school admission. It's not unlikely they'll discover not only my identity as 'Silver', but 'Shiba Tatsuya's' identity as a Yotsuba which the Yotsuba themselves have been blocking so carefully."

So Koichi doing a back ground check on Tatsuya would either pull up enough of his real background that make it clear he is Yotsuba not some underling or the same information the No head Dragon did which should raise a ton of red flags since he as well has similar levels of influence to intervene at the highest level of government. Again probaly not someone that they should be useing in this plan blindly.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by kagato3

No head dragon looked in to him and with in a day found the following


Tatsuya also belives that if he was investagated useing his identity to claim the credit for flight magic his faimily ties would be discovered.



So Koichi doing a back ground check on Tatsuya would either pull up enough of his real background that make it clear he is Yotsuba not some underling or the same information the No head Dragon did which should raise a ton of red flags since he as well has similar levels of influence to intervene at the highest level of government. Again probaly not someone that they should be useing in this plan blindly.

Bu even if nothing turn up. As the head of the saesuga his information network and relation with the military are vastly different, so who Tatsuya is probably wouldn't break his stride since this a different playing field (politicians and the media can be just as dangerous as criminals.).

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Where are you getting this from?

Tatsuya's participation in monolith code doesn't demonstrate anything about the Yotsuba's power and Koichi already knew the Yotsuba were too strong before all this.


I don't understand what you mean. When are you referring to and what makes you think he didn't run a background check?

Do you really want I start quoting the whole MKnR LN and SS??, I just dont get where you have doubts, So far: other from Maya, Any other uses Yotsuba as surname??, is Kurobane and Shiba "fake" families??, Kurobane comes from Genzou brother in law (Maya/Miya aunt) and Shiba from Tats/Miyuki dad, he uses a fake surname in FLT public relationship, but that is common practice according the LN texts.

Monolith Code, just in case you forgot, 1st Clan Heir face on open field and "full strength" under non fatally harm rules against Tatsuya, that ignite a serious controversy among everyone and specially Magic Society, cuz unwritten rule is 10th Masters Clans are elite of the elites in Japanese Magic Society and this unknown which even don't belong to 100 families defeat the 1st Clan Heir, about Retsu, well reading his interview with Kazama give small hints, what could change Retsu POV about Yotsuba real power??, well He known Tats are "false" or artificial Magician, this as I said according their standards, the role play by Tats give a close view about how far enhanced or artificial Magicians could make it.

About Koichi, far I remember from web releases and upcoming Vamps arc (maybe Vol 9, shown some), Ericka brother try to investigate deep about Tats, specially his link with 101st, I think maybe book print release will be more clear about this sub plot, my pov is based in the past arc "Yokohama arc" or Thesis Competition arc if like better).

Common agreement in MKnR verse now is among Japan Magic Society, 10th Master Clans are the top of the Elites, based in power thru economy, assets, techs, resources, magicians power and influence, over them Yotsuba and Saegusa, better say 4th and 7th Clans are the stronger and powerfull, however, new generation come forward and the Yotsuba have intentions to crown the Deep Snow Queen (Miyuki) as their Head with Tatsuya as Her Guardian, Far East Maou as adviser, plus Kurobane, Sakurai and others known and unknown* backing the 4th Clan, this view and according Koichi theory, 4th Clan will have the power to dictate Japan direction and no one from the other 9 Master Clans could avoid, going against, retaliate, defeat the 4th Clan, my POV is something like the rise of the Julius Clan in old Rome, this theory is endorsed by Retsu.

*Vol 8 explain about the "families" created to hold the results of the 4th Magic Institute, this people doesnt known by the Military or other Clans and dont belong to any other structure in the Magic Society as 100 families or auxiliary families.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

Bu even if nothing turn up. As the head of the saesuga his information network and relation with the military are vastly different, so who Tatsuya is probably wouldn't break his stride since this a different playing field (politicians and the media can be just as dangerous as criminals.).

It can't be any worse then what No Head Dragon could pull up in a day and that would likely scream they are part of the main Yotsuba house to someone with their clearence level. It's not like Shiba is even a good alias.

—”Shi-Ba” Tatsuya. Shi, a pronunciation of the kanji[12] that meant chief; Ba, a pronunciation of the kanji that meant leaves. Shi, a syllable that could also mean four; Ba, leaves. Yotsu, a pronunciation of the kanji that meant four; Ba, leaves. Yotsuba.

Pretty much if he did a background check he would known that instead of emberassing the Yotsuba he's takeing a stick to a hornets nest.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Pretty much if he did a background check he would known that instead of emberassing the Yotsuba he's takeing a stick to a hornets nest.

It has been stated that corporations (and I think even last names names) that include "4" in some way or another are pretty common.

Probably the Youtsuba themselves planting fakes (or having forced people to take the 4) in order to make the real ones harder to trace.

[Anthony.N]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

Let correct or clear your mistaken perception:

MKnR verse like most of the proyects come from RW Society format, the Clan in Japan are compose of one main Family over the rest, usually speaking, descendants of the main family have prior rights to be heir and keep control of the Clan, in Yotsuba We see: Shiba, Kurobane among others Family inside the Clan, in the Kuduo Clan we see Fujibashi among others.
In MKnR some like 18 is numbered, something which is considered the formal recognition to be one of the 10th Master Clans, which is the maximum authority among Magic society, some former numbered Families got stripe due being judged by the 10th Master Clans, like Suzune family as example, this structure allow families which belong to some Clan being considered auxiliary or among 100 families, the only known exception at this point is the 4th Clan own structure, due their secrecy reflected on their own, they have main family: Yotsuba, Intel Specialist: Kurobane, tech developer: Shiba, but have "other families" product from 4th Magic Research Institute, these families status are top secret and don't belong to 10th Master Clans, auxiliary Families or the 100 Families, off course nobody outside known whom are they, Sakurai is one of them, they special trait are magic shields, their existence are barely known by high Military ranks, like Mayor Kazama (check Vol 8, when he talks with Tats about 4th research institute and 4th Clan combat training system, considered top military elite, that allows a 13 year old kid be on par with 101st battalion elite close combat soldier), Kuduo Retsu knowns about this cuz he was the Commander General who ordered Yotsuba to do this, it seems he regret this, cuz he never think the Yotsuba will have the success rate which allow them to be stronger than any other of the Master Clans or the Families, Koichi and Retsu take for real Yotsuba in short term (5 years max) will have enough power to subdue the entire remain 9 master clans and their structure, this took by surprise everyone, cuz their concepts about engineered and DNA enhanced Human as magicians did not have real future cuz life term (25 years old max) and power, this concepts was broken when they saw Tats on monolith code competition and his deeds as engineer during competition time, they realized their mistake to let Yotsuba doing as their like without no one oversee their advances (remember at least Tats and Sakurai are man made magicians according their standarts); about Shipou brat: as is said in the LN, their current hierarchy positions still flown cuz are "new", some like 30 or 40 years sistem, so Shipou belong to 7th Clan, Saegusa are now the main Family and the ruler of the Clan, this bart thinks He and his family should be the ruler instead Saegusa, he doesn't realize he a minion to USNA and his attempts are far from being real menace to Koichi, no mention Yotsuba.

Dude, most of those things you was telling above not-in-1mm-related to what Im talking about, and not at all prove you are right or Im wrong.

There are alot of families with common number in the name, THEY DONT NEED TO COME FROM THE SAME ANCESTOR, the are 3 or 4 families with "4" in their names but only one is in magician factor is Yotsuba, same as "7" but in which is happended to have 2 families in magician factor (or more).

It is not about "new", mind telling me which part you have read tells that his family is considered "new". It is about POWER, the Saegusa stands in top of the ten (together with Yotsuba) because they have strong magicians.

If the Shipou guys family was really STRONG, they could make in top ten, there can be same number in top ten, dont tell me you have not read this info.

This is the first time in japan that 10 strongest family happend to not have same number in their name. The kiddo Shipou is too naive and young to think only him can make his family magically jump in top ten.

Stop posting walls of text everytime when we already know most of the info, and jump to the main point pls Chimurry

[Anthony.N]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

Do you really want I start quoting the whole MKnR LN and SS??, I just dont get where you have doubts, So far: other from Maya, Any other uses Yotsuba as surname??, is Kurobane and Shiba "fake" families??, Kurobane comes from Genzou brother in law (Maya/Miya aunt) and Shiba from Tats/Miyuki dad, he uses a fake surname in FLT public relationship, but that is common practice according the LN texts.

Monolith Code, just in case you forgot, 1st Clan Heir face on open field and "full strength" under non fatally harm rules against Tatsuya, that ignite a serious controversy among everyone and specially Magic Society, cuz unwritten rule is 10th Masters Clans are elite of the elites in Japanese Magic Society and this unknown which even don't belong to 100 families defeat the 1st Clan Heir, about Retsu, well reading his interview with Kazama give small hints, what could change Retsu POV about Yotsuba real power??, well He known Tats are "false" or artificial Magician, this as I said according their standards, the role play by Tats give a close view about how far enhanced or artificial Magicians could make it.

About Koichi, far I remember from web releases and upcoming Vamps arc (maybe Vol 9, shown some), Ericka brother try to investigate deep about Tats, specially his link with 101st, I think maybe book print release will be more clear about this sub plot, my pov is based in the past arc "Yokohama arc" or Thesis Competition arc if like better).

Common agreement in MKnR verse now is among Japan Magic Society, 10th Master Clans are the top of the Elites, based in power thru economy, assets, techs, resources, magicians power and influence, over them Yotsuba and Saegusa, better say 4th and 7th Clans are the stronger and powerfull, however, new generation come forward and the Yotsuba have intentions to crown the Deep Snow Queen (Miyuki) as their Head with Tatsuya as Her Guardian, Far East Maou as adviser, plus Kurobane, Sakurai and others known and unknown* backing the 4th Clan, this view and according Koichi theory, 4th Clan will have the power to dictate Japan direction and no one from the other 9 Master Clans could avoid, going against, retaliate, defeat the 4th Clan, my POV is something like the rise of the Julius Clan in old Rome, this theory is endorsed by Retsu.

*Vol 8 explain about the "families" created to hold the results of the 4th Magic Institute, this people doesnt known by the Military or other Clans and dont belong to any other structure in the Magic Society as 100 families or auxiliary families.

About the bold text: THERE IS NOT A SINGLE TEXT about Retsu knows "false" or artificial Magician - Tatsuya, he might knows but there is no proof so far. He ONLY knows Tat is from the Yotsuba and is the war-head magician.
Tatsuya's original magics is what makes him insane strong, not the "artificial" part (which helps him use normal magic). You are telling things from your imagination.

About the underline text: Erika's brother was trying to investigate Tat but have been stopped by Erika, and Erika herself tells her brother about Tat's identity and warn him to stop. That guy (Erika's brother) would NEVER find anything about Tat by himself.

Red text: his only worry so far is the Yotsuba having too strong and too much magicians (3 is more than enough), he doesnt care about the Yotsuba's side branch or business power (not in the text) and never mention about the dictator potential. Stop adding things.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by Anthony.N

Dude, most of those things you was telling above not-in-1mm-related to what Im talking about, and not at all prove you are right or Im wrong.

There are alot of families with common number in the name, the are 3 or 4 families with "4" in their names but only one is in magician factor is Yotsuba, same as "7" but in which is happended to have 2 families in magician factor (or more).

It is not about "new", mind telling me which part you have read tells that his family is considered "new". It is about POWER, the Saegusa stands in top of the ten (together with Yotsuba) because they have strong magicians.

If the Shipou guys family was really STRONG, they could make in top ten, there can be same number in top ten, dont tell me you have not read this info.

This is the first time in japan that 10 strongest family happend to not have same number in their name. The kiddo Shipou is too naive and young to think only him can make his family magically jump in top ten.

Stop posting walls of text everytime when we already know most of the info, and jump to the main point pls Chimurry

1) I never wrote Shipou family is new.
2)D7 ch1 mention Shipou are from 7th Clan and under Saegusa rule, so if you ready "known" why comes and say is not??.

BTW: If you don't like "read" my post is up to you, I usually don't pretend write so long but most of the times, even editing I leave like that cuz feel transmit my idea, I not pretending come and say I am right, you're not, just not my way, but sometimes I think for people just read or new timers could get wrong info and cuz the post writers made mistakes, due memory or not understand MKnR, this last is very usual due Western way to think are completely different and when the times comes to understand the "environment" surround of the characters made mistakes.

EDIT:
About Retsu knowing Tats mental operation, better read Kazama/Retsu interview.
About Ericka, She told to Her brother Tats are from 101st, hoping this was enough to stop Him go deeper and find about Yotsuba.
Dude: its not me, but Mods don't like double posting, just mention in case no one told you before.

[Anthony.N]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

1) I never wrote Shipou family is new.
2)D7 ch1 mention Shipou are from 7th Clan and under Saegusa rule, so if you ready "known" why comes and say is not??.

BTW: If you don't like "read" my post is up to you, I usually don't pretend write so long but most of the times, even editing I leave like that cuz feel transmit my idea, I not pretending come and say I am right, you're not, just not my way, but sometimes I think for people just read or new timers could get wrong info and cuz the post writers made mistakes, due memory or not understand MKnR, this last is very usual due Western way to think are completely different and when the times comes to understand the "environment" surround of the characters made mistakes.

Im Asian, my knowledge about Japanese, Chinese,... family is enough to tell.

Which text you tell me the Shipou's family are under Saegusa ???

Seriously, they are from 2 different families but having the same number in their name, and more, his family is not AT ALL side branch or anything to the Saegusa

30 or 40 years sistem

<= this text, thats considered "new", but nonsense anyway BECAUSE

The "100 families" have been created from the time when Japan was having war (read vol8) so far more than 100 years, and I tell you, even 100 or 150 years existence of a family could not make a family to "old" or "experience" or "traditional" one.

EDIT:
About Retsu knowing Tats mental operation, better read Kazama/Retsu interview.
About Ericka, She told to Her brother Tats are from 101st, hoping this was enough to stop Him go deeper and find about Yotsuba.
Dude: its not me, but Mods don't like double posting, just mention in case no one told you before.

Thanks, its a new nick anyway
I just re-read the Kazama/Retsu interview you said, but no, not a single mention.
And yep, you just repeat what Im telling you about Erika's brother thing, but find out Tat is Yotsuba is impossible. Not even Haruka's organization could do it.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by Anthony.N

Im Asian, my knowedge about family in Japan, Chinese,... is enough to tell.

Which text you tell me the Shipou's family are under Saegusa ???

Seriously, they are from 2 different families but having the same number in their name, and more, his family is not AT ALL side branch or anything to the Saegusa

<= this text, thats considered "new", but nonsense anyway BECAUSE

The "100 families" have been created from the time when Japan was having war (read vol8) so far more than 100 years, and I tell you, even 100 or 150 years existence of a family could not make a family to "old" or "experience" or "traditional" one.



Thanks, its a new nick anyway
I just re-read the Kazama/Retsu interview you said, but no, not a single mention.
And yep, you just repeat what Im telling you about Erika's brother thing, but find out Tat is Yotsuba is impossible. Not even Haruka's organization could do it.

1) Far I remember Double 7/Ninendo, chapter 1, I just wrote D7 ch1.
2) again, I not talking about the family, I talking about the hierarchy system, far I remember: its year 2096, International Magic Association was founded in 2046 and just some time after the 10th Master Clans as top boss of the Japan Magic Association, and about "recent" and still flowing ranks comes from LN.

I have problems with my microsoft OS and the explorer, due this I cannot open even word texts, pain in the butt and probably best option is move to Ubunto, but I am lazy to lost all I got now, so, even search modes are screw, thats why i avoid quote texts, other reason Animesuki Mods don't like quotes from LNs texts, even translated ones.

[setsuna86]

why even though tats has mist dispersal or regrowth, he's not considered magician?
I think these two are called magic!!
so why deny the fact that he is magician?

[Anthony.N]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

1) Far I remember Double 7/Ninendo, chapter 1, I just wrote D7 ch1.
2) again, I not talking about the family, I talking about the hierarchy system, far I remember: its year 2096, International Magic Association was founded in 2046 and just some time after the 10th Master Clans as top boss of the Japan Magic Association, and about "recent" and still flowing ranks comes from LN.

I have problems with my microsoft OS and the explorer, due this I cannot open even word texts, pain in the butt and probably best option is move to Ubunto, but I am lazy to lost all I got now, so, even search modes are screw, thats why i avoid quote texts, other reason Animesuki Mods don't like quotes from LNs texts, even translated ones.

Yep, and here Im looking for that "text" in Chap1. Do you understand Japanese? Im not so even point me to read its impossible thing, but from some translation I have read (and remember), its a no, its 2 different families which happen have the number 7 in their name, and totally different family name.

So what about the hierarchy system you are telling, the ranking is changeable, but right now the Yotsuba and Saegusa is the number one and hardly change, but who knows if the kiddo can really push his family up, there might be 2 number 7 in top ten, but to overcome Saegusa? Never.

why even though tats has mist dispersal or regrowth, he's not considered magician?
I think these two are called magic!!
so why deny the fact that he is not magician?

You are right, everyone thinks those two are awesome magics, except his family.
Make it simple, see magic as a paper, if you can make it into a bird, a car (origami ),.... you are a magician
what Tatsuya can do is only burn the paper to dust and magically return the paper into its shape from the dust, but can not changing the shape of a paper to anything at all, hence his family sees those as not truth magics.

[setsuna86]

hey I want to know if some chapters of D7 are already out.
I have already many things about that, but that was only "scratch".
I want to read the real thing if possible (of course, if already out)

[Von Himmel]

Originally Posted by Tru3Ph03niX

I haven't read part 2 but.
I remember this.
It's a hot Vanilla. My favourite.

I can't see mahouka doing NTR without getting a ridiculous story Even by a small chance that they can manage to do...anything to Miyuki, they'll probably get screwed at the end. And don't start about getting to paralyze Tatsuya either

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Okashira

It has been stated that corporations (and I think even last names names) that include "4" in some way or another are pretty common.

Probably the Youtsuba themselves planting fakes (or having forced people to take the 4) in order to make the real ones harder to trace.

There is nothing about it being harder to trace. anyone doing a background check on Tatsuya will find his records are an informational black hole. This in itself should throw up warning flags but then there is the fact that Koichi's resources may be able to get real information on Tatsuya and if they can't that throws up even bigger flags.

And then there is the name it takes Mayumi the time span of a bath to figure out that Shiba is just a kanji replacement from Youtsuba after she found out he knew what an Extra was.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by kagato3

It can't be any worse then what No Head Dragon could pull up in a day and that would likely scream they are part of the main Yotsuba house to someone with their clearence level. It's not like Shiba is even a good alias.


Pretty much if he did a background check he would known that instead of emberassing the Yotsuba he's takeing a stick to a hornets nest.

It's likely he did, so is safe to assume his intentions is attacking the hornets nest because why would he bother to attack members that aren't important either way is picking a fight but if he doesn't weaken them in the process is for nothing.

[setsuna86]

Well, just to say that I already finished vol8 ch1's translation, but i cannot post it, since ch0 isn't posted yet.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by setsuna86

Well, just to say that I already finished vol8 ch1's translation, but i cannot post it, since ch0 isn't posted yet.

I assume you mean vol9 ch1? If so, there's no reason not to post it, it doesn't HAVE to be done in sequence. Just add it to baka-tsuki

[Rava]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I assume you mean vol9 ch1? If so, there's no reason not to post it, it doesn't HAVE to be done in sequence. Just add it to baka-tsuki

I think Sashiko is trying to avoid the whiners who OMG-Chapters-not-sequential-OMG spaz because they hate reading things out of sequence and don't have the self-control not to click on the chapter.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Rava

I think Sashiko is trying to avoid the whiners who OMG-Chapters-not-sequential-OMG spaz because they hate reading things out of sequence and don't have the self-control not to click on the chapter.

-_- that's idiotic let them whine. If they don't have self control on their selves then its their problem.