[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Katsu Koneko]

Whoa~ -falls out of chair-

Yay more Shannon~! Can't wait to read it!

Though...first I need to read EP5...

[Kaiba]

Shannon and Kanon are behind them with their submissive faces. I'm just worried about why Jessica and George have their evil faces on the cover...

heh? Maybe I'm just completely biased, but that looks like Shannon's "I'm kind of pissed off" face - she has one that looks a little angrier where her mouth opens slightly, but the eye expression is generally the same.
Perhaps the George-Shannon theories AND the Jessica theory are right?

[Arachanox]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

heh? Maybe I'm just completely biased, but that looks like Shannon's "I'm kind of pissed off" face - she has one that looks a little angrier where her mouth opens slightly, but the eye expression is generally the same.
Perhaps the George-Shannon theories AND the Jessica theory are right?

Now that you mention it...I have to agree. Looking at Shannon and even Kanon's face, it isn't their default content or even emotionless faces, but rather faces of slight irritation or perhaps determination. In any case, they don't appear to be innocent victims in this case, and George and Jessica are almost certainly up to something.

edit: Does anyone know if this is the first cover without Battler?

[Volcanic]

Originally Posted by Arachanox

heh? Maybe I'm just completely biased, but that looks like Shannon's "I'm kind of pissed off" face - she has one that looks a little angrier where her mouth opens slightly, but the eye expression is generally the same.
Perhaps the George-Shannon theories AND the Jessica theory are right?
Now that you mention it...I have to agree. Looking at Shannon and even Kanon's face, it isn't their default content or even emotionless faces, but rather faces of slight irritation or perhaps determination. In any case, they don't appear to be innocent victims in this case, and George and Jessica are almost certainly up to something.

Exactly what I'm thinking. Maybe George and Jessica plan something, not necessarily the murders, and have Kanon and Shannon go along with them, but the latter two know something's going to go wrong or whatever. I don't know //made it up off top of her head

Originally Posted by Arachanox

edit: Does anyone know if this is the first cover without Battler?

He wasn't on the EP2 cover.

[Kitsu]

Episodes 2 cover didn't had Battler right?

[Arachanox]

No, he wasn't there.

[rogerpepitone]

Probably coincidential but I was looking at http://hidebu.wikiwiki.jp/ translated with Google Translate, and saw a number of mentions of mackerel.

Tomitake sink, sink Times, is that Jiro Tomitake sink mackerel (camera survival) is to shed the extra attack when the Oyashiro.
富竹流し、時報流し、鯖流しというのは富竹ジロウ(サバイバルカメラ)のオヤシロ時エキストラアタックで流 すことです

逆に言えば、敵が鎌・霊の組み合わせで自チームがバット・鯖ならば、自分達の方から攻めて行かなければなら ないことになる。 Conversely, if your team is at bat mackerel combination of sickle spiritual enemy, will have to go to attack from their own people.

斧・腕・鯖・空手のようなタフな近距離型を使う人、これらのキャラと組む人は、以上の事を意識 しよう。 Karate people use mackerel-type short-range arms ax as tough, people partner with these characters, or to sense things.

Is it using the same kanji for "mackerel" that Kumasawa uses?

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by Renall

Also, can anyone translate those sceenshots? Might provide some idea of what's coming, or if it's fake it might prove that.

I'm not sure if my translation is correct but here my try:

Spoiler for Text from Episode 6 Pictures:

親族の方々を泊めるなら、お屋敷の客室で充分だろうに。
そうね。お掃除大変だもんね。でも、ゲストハウスの掃除は、好き。
Kanon: If the family members are to be taken in, the guest room in the residence will probably be enough.
Shannon: That's right. It's difficult cleaning. However, I like cleaning of the guesthouse.


遠いねぇですな。お嬢だって、１２年前の気の毒な一件がなけりゃ、今頃は笑顔が似合うキュートな女の子だっ たかもしれねぇ。
Juuza: That sure is distant. You know young lady, if it weren't for that tragic event 12 years ago, you might have become the cute girl who fits that smile right now.


部屋に戻れ。ここはお前のいる場所でない。
Battler: Return to your room. This is no place for you.


...
誰よ、あんた。
Bernkastel: ...
Lambdadelta: Who are you?


扉の隙間から、温かな灯りが漏れる。
やはり、廊下には温かな灯りが満ちていた。
聞こえるわけじゃないけど、何だか遠くで、温かで楽しそうな気配がする。
Through the small opening of the door, a gentle light shone through.
As expected, the corridor was filled with that gentle glow.
There was nothing to be heard, but from a little away there came a gentle, enjoyable presence.


...ねぇ、天草。...私って、...いつからここにいるの...？
はぁ？
Ange: ...hey Amakusa. ...I...since when have I been here?
Juuza: huh?


健やかな時も病める時も。そうね、病める時に支えてこそ妻だわ。そうよね、ヱリカ？
Bernkastel: In sickness and in health. That's right, it's a wife who supports when sick. That's it, right Erika?


えぇ、楽しみにしてるわー。タイトルは？
”Dawn".黄金の魔女の夜明け。
Lambdadelta: Right, I'm looking foward to it. And the title?
Battler: "Dawn". Dawn of the golden witch.

Please correct the mistakes I made and I'll edit the post.

[Geekodot]

So it doesn't look like Battler is getting any new sprites? Bah... was looking forward to seeing him actually looking like a "witch"... xD

[ameskitty]

What if they're helping Battler revive Beatrice? I mean Beatrice looks all surprised and they're standing around her defensively, and they didn't get very good treatment in the last game, so who knows? Maybe Battler asked them to help. (but geez, all of them in the metaworld? That'd get pretty interesting )

Hmm, wtf is Juuza doing there? It sounds kind of like some sort of alternate 1998 (possibly with at least Battler surviving?). But...why would he know Ange in that context? Or maybe it's an alternate metaworld? Hrmm...puzzling to say the least

EDIT: Okay, with the corrected TL, the Battler surviving thing no longer makes sense. So yeah, looks like we randomly get another 1998.

Spoiler for more major EP 5 spoilers, tagged just in case:

Yay, looks like Battler's going to kick Erika out of the gameboard . Also looks like hints of yet another new character...XD

Also curious as to the sickness and health part and the warm light thing...

Speculations dump:
This will be the longest episode yet
Beato is revived (duh)
Erika is killed (PLEASE)
Battler is missing part of the answer
The world of EP5 ends with everybody but Battler dying
The gold is discovered yet again
Kanon's emo tragic past is revealed, along with his real name
Major battle royale with Jessica/Kanon/George/Shannon
- Said royale and the finding of the safe place Eva found in EP3 ends to them and Battler surviving (I wish, but that safe place needs some explaining XD)
One or all four of them ends up using red text.
HALF-FURNITURE DEMON SPAWN IS THE CULPRIT sorry, had to do it

[Volcanic]

Originally Posted by Ssol

...
誰よ、あんた。
Bernkastel: ...
Lambdadelta: Who are you?

I'm especially curious about this one o_o New Meta-World character, maybe? Or is Battler having an identity crisis now? I mean, he doesn't know who's kid he is, and from the screenshots his personality took a turn.

[Evy]

Originally Posted by Ssol

...ねぇ、天草。...私って、...いつからここにいるの...？
はぁ？
Ange: ...right, Agar agar. ...'Me' you said... When was I here?
Juuza: huh?

Pretty sure the first part's meant to be "...Hey, Amakusa."

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by Evy

Pretty sure the first part's meant to be "...Hey, Amakusa."

You're right. I couldn't figure that Kanji out. Corrected.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Ssol

...ねぇ、天草。...私って、...いつからここにいるの...？
はぁ？
Ange: ...hey Amakusa...'Me' you said... When was I here?
Juuza: huh?

Is that hinting at Juuza NOT being too late to save Ange, and she just lost her memory, technically "Killing" Ushiromiya Ange?

[chounokoe]

Spoiler for corrections on Episode 6 translations:

Originally Posted by Ssol

遠いねぇですな。お嬢だって、１２年前の気の毒な一件がなけりゃ、今頃は笑顔が似合うキュートな女の子だっ たかもしれねぇ。
Juuza: That's pretty distant. I said you are a young lady and if you aren't the poor one from 12 years ago then this time you were probably the cute girl who that smile suits.

I think that should be along the lines of:
Juuza: That sure is distant. You know young lady, if it weren't for that tragic event 12 years ago, you might have become the cute girl who fits that smile right now.

部屋に戻れ。ここはお前のいる場所でない。
Battler: Return to the room. This is not a place where you exist.

Battler: Return to your room. This is no place for you.
(It doesn't really call for an 'exist'...he could just be talking to Maria or Erika at this point.)

扉の隙間から、温かな灯りが漏れる。
やはり、廊下には温かな灯りが満ちていた。
聞こえるわけじゃないけど、何だか遠くで、温かで楽しそうな気配がする。
A warm light escapes from the space in the door.
As expected, the warm light had been filled from below.
I don't hear it but somehow in the distance the warm and seemingly happy sign will do.

I would understand it as:
Through the small opening of the door, a gentle light shone through.
As expected, the corridor was filled with that gentle glow.
There was nothing to be heard, but from a little away there came a gentle, enjoyable presence.

...ねぇ、天草。...私って、...いつからここにいるの...？
はぁ？
Ange: ...hey Amakasa...'Me' you said... When was I here?
Juuza: huh?

Ange: ...eh, Amakusa. I...since when have I been here?
Juuza: Eh?

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but some things just were a bit too far off for my taste

[Workworkwork]

Spoiler for Crazy conspiracy thought:

I'm not holding back the possibility that Bern/Lambda/Erika are all just split-offs of Beato, and in a tweest, all 3 merge to re-form her after Battler thinks he's solved everything, only to have her go "YOU HELPED ME WIN! *Cackle**Cackle*" or something.

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by chounokoe

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but some things just were a bit too far off for my taste

Thank you, fixed all those.

[Endless_Witch_Nipah]

Originally Posted by Geekodot

So it doesn't look like Battler is getting any new sprites? Bah... was looking forward to seeing him actually looking like a "witch"... xD

You mean a ... TROLL FACE? XD
Seriously i want to see this xD

[Used Can]

I'd have liked Battler getting new sprites with the cape, and perhaps that black outfit.

[momobunny]

It doesn't really make sense to me that his portrait is painted with a black cape but he doesn't get one on his sprite. It can't take that long just to add a cape to the back of the sprite... I wonder why Ryukishi didn't just add it in. ^^;