2012-04-07, 09:31 | Link #102 |
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i got a couple of questions : how the hell does kishi intend to make sasuke stronger than he is now and match up to naruto ? i mean naruto is much stronger right now the way i see it...
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2012-04-07, 10:03 | Link #103 | |
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He hates the idea that Konoha's peace was bought with the blood of his clan and he's enraged by the fact that they used the loyalty of his brother against his own family making his life a living hell and turning him into a reviled monster to the very people he sought to protect. So he wants to punish them all, to do onto them what was done to his clan. He knows Itachi doesn't want that but he doesn't care. Itachi's priority was Konoha whereas Sasuke's has always been the Uchiha clan and and revenge for their death. Sasuke's characterization is a complete mess since Itachi's death but his reasons to want revenge on Konoha were made crystal clear. |
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2012-04-07, 11:41 | Link #104 | ||
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2012-04-07, 12:19 | Link #105 | |
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Its possible that Sasuke will get rinnegan but I personally don't think Kishi will give Sasuke rinnegan unless he becomes the main villain since Sasuke would be too strong with rinnegan. Also Madara didn't show us much with EMS so Sasuke will be the one to show us what EMS can do in many fights to come. |
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2012-04-07, 16:18 | Link #106 | |
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You shouldn't overestimate the rinnegan's power, it also depends very much on the user's abilities. The power levels of current fights have already reached the rinnegan level that Nagato had (sure not the one of the Rikudo sennin), we see Madara and Tobi using different powers of the rinnegan, added to that Edo-Tensei and the demon chakras. So if the power levels just keep rising as usual in such shonen manga then soon Sasuke will be able to awaken the rinnegan, otherwise he won't have any chance against powerhouses like Madara, Tobi and even Naruto. Just look at the current fight, the almighty EMS-Susano has been defeated by Sage-Kabuto's first move, he had to be saved by Itachi. If Kabuto can beat Sasuke then that's a sign he will have to power up. |
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2012-04-07, 22:08 | Link #107 | |
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Kishimoto can't help himself when it's about Minato and Itachi, the moment Sasuke decided to fight along with his brother sealed the fact that he was going to look like crap so Itachi could look even better. |
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2012-04-08, 04:16 | Link #108 | |
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As for Itachi and Minato, i think Kishimoto's idea of making them genius ninjas as opposed to the raw power that Naruto and Sasuke have was good. This way both Naruto and Sasuke can develop in power levels but still remain children. |
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2012-04-08, 06:39 | Link #109 | |
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2012-04-08, 09:28 | Link #110 | |
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Itachi said EMS gives a new technique, if Sasuke gets a strong new EMS jutsu it may be enough to let him fight Naruto evenly. And Itachi's susanoo weapons could help if he got them at the end of the fight with Kabuto. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=111051 The link above shows another power Sasuke could get instead of rinnegan which may help so there's lots of new power ups Sasuke may get rather then depending on the power of the rinnegan like Madara is. Madara's susanoo hasn't used a shield, arrow or black fire like Sasuke's does so I think Sasuke's EMS susanoo may be stronger then Madara's EMS susanoo. Last edited by TimeMask; 2012-04-08 at 09:55. |
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2012-04-08, 11:21 | Link #111 | ||
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Itachi's sword weapon is too overpowered, i don't see how can it be used in an interesting way since even one hit with that is lethal and it cannot be blocked. Sure Naruto could dodge it and outrun it, he can also use clones to trick Sasuke. But the sword would not make the battle interesting. The shield seems to be good for the battle, it can probably deflect the rasenshuriken. Quote:
However Kabuto was talking about 3 places where someone can become a sage (well not literally, but he mentioned 3 places, and we know 2 of these are places for sage training). Becoming a sage and having EMS might be an interesting combination instead of rinnegan. (but i think that becoming a sage is probably the natural way for Sasuke to unlock his rinnegan without altering his body in some disgusting way, and the natural way usually turns out to be the more powerful way than the artificial in this manga) |
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2012-04-08, 13:41 | Link #112 | |
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We're yet to see anything EMS related for the moment, to claim that its level -which are still completely unknown- is surpassed is not only inaccurate for lack of information but completely meaningless anyway because it doesn't work that way. The truth of it all is that it doesn't matter what power Sasuke will use, it's going to be strong enough to do what it's supposed to do at a given moment. He could deal with Naruto's new found power with his base Sharingan if Kishimoto so wished (and for that matter Izanagi and Izanami are base Sharingan jutsu). |
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2012-04-08, 14:36 | Link #113 | ||
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I agree that Itachi's susanoo sword is too hax but so is rinnegan and Sasuke getting that eye would mean he would never struggle to fight any single living person expect Naruto and Tobi. Meaning rinnegan Sasuke would win too easily against anyone who's not Naruto or Tobi so it makes sense to give Sasuke a new EMS jutsu, rather then giving him rinnegan. Quote:
This would let a sage mode user use stay in sage mode for longer since they can keep absorbing energy even when moving and it would help them not turn into a rock statue. Sasuke wouldn't get Oro's seal but a curse mark which would let him absorb nature energy due to having Jugo's flesh (if Sasuke can activate the power). Last edited by TimeMask; 2012-04-08 at 14:47. |
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2012-04-08, 16:40 | Link #114 | ||
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For me it's the opposite, its actually interesting since they fight using their brain and not only some powerups. It's not that i don't like powerups, buti i like more outsmarting wins than overpowering wins since smart fights are rare. Too bad that the Itachi vs Kabuto fight, which involves two smart guys will most likely end in the next chapter. Maybe becuase if it lasted more then Sasuke would look kinda stupid, just standing there like an idiot
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I don't think so, if he awakens it against Naruto, as it was the case with his 3 tomoe sharingan eye, then he won't automatically be a master of it, he will be able to use basic powers of it, but not the advanced ones. To tell the truth i didn't like the idea that Sasuke could get the rinnegan. But in the recent chapters there have been many revelations and these all seem to suggest that Orochimaru wanted to have the rinnegan in Sasuke's body. Remember after Orochi fights Sasuke in the forest of death in the chuunin exam, he says that Sasuke will be even better than Itachi. Then there's Kabuto, he has achieved everything, he is very powerful genetically enhanced sage now, but despite that he badly wants Sasuke's body. I think that the most likely reason to this is that he think Sasuke's DNA allows him to awaken the rinnegan, and then Kabuto wants to have the powers of the sage of 6 paths which will allow him to learn the secrets behind the ninja world, since the sage invented all the stuff that he wants to learn. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-04-08 at 17:03. |
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2012-04-08, 16:49 | Link #115 | |
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As for your other question. I'm not sure if Sasuke needs to be "Stronger". Sasuke is, and always has been, a utility type fighter. He does edge into the power region occasionally, but most of his victories were using utility jutsu like his Chidori variations. Power is more Naruto's schtick. The thing about utility type fighters is that they are more unpredictable in a fight. |
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2012-04-08, 18:10 | Link #116 | |
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Same with Minato, he has one good jutsu that allows him to outspeed anyone and that's what he does. He throw his special kunai at the ennemy and when they are in position he teleports and strikes, the end. When has he ever used his teleporting power in a cunning way? He was never forced to resort to smart because he's too good, no need for Portal-like strategy when he beats everybody in 1 or 2 moves. The need to outsmart the ennemy usually comes with the fact that you lack the firepower or the mean to get the job done. That's why Sasuke and Naruto had to outsmart Zabuza, why Shika had to outsmart Temari or why Sasuke had to find a way to reach Deidara for examples. But neither Itachi nor Minato ever needed that because they are way too powerful. They have always beaten their opponent because they had better jutsu. It's particulary blatant here, Kabuto made sure he would be safe from Itachi's firepower (can't be killed) and Genjutsu (Sage-mode) so what happens? Itachi doesn't find a smart way to use his old technique despite the odds, he pulls out a new I-win jutsu out of thin air. Quote:
Oh and as he showed Edo-Madara was never in any danger, he's just playing with them. I already had this discussion with someone else but the power they use will be driven by the plot, we have 4 doujutsu users fighting at the same time so they will each use different things to keep them distincts. EMS/MS for Sasuke and Itachi, Mokuton with very little bits of MS/Rinnegan for Madara and probably Rinnengan and space/time jutsu for Tobi. Quote:
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2012-04-08, 19:22 | Link #118 | ||
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nagato didn't have uchiha dna, nor did he develop the rinnegan anyway. his body was just a good container for it |
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2012-04-08, 19:54 | Link #119 | |
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We can see how smart they are in battle almost every time. It's quite obvious when we see Itachi lecturing Naruto, then saving Sasuke, anticipating moves of his enemies, planning in advance, knowing the weakneses of his enemies. If you just take his last fight against Kabuto it's quite obvious, he saved Sasuke by outsmarting Kabuto. But this was obvious from the start, when Kakashi was barely able to follow his moves, while Kurenai and Asuma didn't even know what's happening (here i'm talking about the part before he used MS). In case of Minato it's even more obvious since he didn't have any advanced bloodline or monsters sealed in him, he had to invent things like the rasengan and his fast teleportation to beat people, and that shows how smart he was. High speed also requires fast thinking, when we see him fighting Tobi he makes his combo-moves so fast that Tobi isn't even aware what happened. For example his combo-move of teleporting to Tobi + cutting off his hand + placing a seal that liberates the 9-tails. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-04-08 at 20:12. |
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2012-04-08, 21:24 | Link #120 |
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Read your answer attentively, what you're actually saying is : never but we're always told how smart they are. That's my point exactly, of course the author never stop telling us how amazing they are, I'm not saying the characters aren't smart, I'm saying it never pans out in actual battle because they are so amazing that they don't need to. It's particulary flagrant with Minato where you had to resort to give a bunch of speed feats and say he invented jutsu to explain to me how smart he was but it's the same with Itachi.
Never, not even once, in any of their actual on screen battles did they have to do something particulary smart to win. If you think I'm wrong then give me a single example instead of saying (4 time in your last post!) that it's obvious. And I ask for a real example of outsmarting ennemies because "super fast combo move" and "high speed requires fast thinking" aren't example of that. Seriously when Minato fight it's this : teleport away to avoid an attack, teleport to a kunai close to the target and strike, end of the fight. There is no outsmarting, no clever plan, no multisteps strategy. Just unbelievable speed. Itachi is mostly the same but more geared toward sheer power thanks to the MS, his best feat smart-wise was his very first apparition against Kakashi & co before the MS. It never really repeated itself and even that was ended with an overkill Tsukuyomi and no clever plan. So best feats except that? Telling Naruto and Bee to throw jutsu into the big ball of doom going to kill them (so clever!) and guessing Kabuto was going to strike Sasuke (not even going to comment on the stupidity of the thing since Sasuke was the only one who could be wounded anyway with Itachi being an Edo...). So yeah, I fail to see how their fighting styles is about outsmarting their opponents, that's simply not true. The main difference between them and the rest is that others characters will fangasm and tell us how clever, powerfull and pretty they are. I'd prefer Kishimoto to show it directly instead. Edit : not during battle but I'll admit that the way Itachi rigged Sasuke's eye to shot Amaterasu at Tobi was pretty smart, to bad he doesn't use stuff like that during a fight. Last edited by Hunter; 2012-04-08 at 21:41. |
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