2011-07-19, 21:53 | Link #23301 |
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I support Fukuin having male kids on the logic some have stated that it'd have been ridiculous for nobody to question Kanon if it was a strictly all-girl place. I think ... we may only be having this discussion because of happenstance on Ryukishi's part.
Other off-duty servants have been mentioned since the beginning, but we had no idea what gender they were. The only female servants on duty during the conference were Shannon and Kumasawa, who's only part-time and had been there forever. Anyways, so I think he got to Requiem and decided to show us other servants, which ended up being the Meido's of Purgatory, which I saw partly as fanservice, partly as continuing to show the origins of Yasu/Beatrice's magical compendium (i.e, she based her servants on the other snobby girls who worked with her), and there was no room to show a male Fukuin servant, similarly, into the scenario. Whose heads would he have copy+pasta'd for them? Um ... on Jessica's surprise at a boy servant, it's possible that, despite being a co-ed orphanage, in general, girls would work harder to achieve the grades / behavior that put them into the running for the position. This could go farther and say that Jessica had seen male Fukuin servants before, but Kanon was the first she'd seen since she started, y'know, noticing boys. |
2011-07-20, 00:21 | Link #23303 | |
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This is of course, not a complaint in case it sounds like it. Just wondering if this can qualify as a clue, because in order for it to be important, one would have to actually read the story backwards to find it's meaning, maybe this is just me talking but shouldn't you be able to deduce it all without having to do that? Last edited by cronnoponno; 2011-07-20 at 01:09. |
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2011-07-20, 09:37 | Link #23304 |
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Given that there is absolutely no romantic subtext whatsoever between Battler and Shannon in the first four episodes, I would probably say so. You could guess it, and people sort of did (Pony Theory, anyone?), but you'd have to extract it from the assumption that Shannon = Beatrice, then that Meta-Beatrice vs. Battler = Representative of an existing relationship.
It's a not-impossible stretch. But it is a stretch all the same.
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Well a major gripe I have about the clues towards Battler and Shannon's relationship is that I don't remember a single thing pointing towards Shannon having interest in mystery novels in the question arcs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if it would have been too revealing to include. After thinking through the all-girls orphanage thing again, I think my making sense of it was affected by some older theories of Kinzo's motivation towards hosting Fukuin, which might not be relevant anymore. Well at least it would have been another point of how they needed to present Yasu as a girl if they wanted her to Rokkenjima, which is kind of an optional addition. So it might actually raise more problems than it solves. |
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2011-07-20, 11:23 | Link #23306 |
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On Bato+Shannon, yeah, he didn't seem to take it very seriously. Even if, say, in R-Prime, he returned AND remembered, that stilldoesn't imply that he took it very seriously.
To be fair, though, the Pony Theory did exist. The story is supposed to be solvable with just the first four games, and EP4 left us veeeeery few options regarding who 'Beatrice' was. |
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By the end of ep4 we were only left with the idea that Battler himself was specifically important to Beatrice's motive by the whole "Battler has a sin" conversation, which basically said nothing. The only thing anybody could find was that he might have made a couple promises to people. Many people considered that, and just as many went looking for something, anything else on account of that being too obvious and too simplistic. Whoops, guess we shouldn't have overestimated.
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All of them have got emotional reasons to go for the gold and try to start a new life. Moreover, a situation in which everyone got killed could be very similar to what we saw in EP7's Tea Party. In fact, this is the idea I'm supporting. Quote:
Moreover, think about it, Eva solved the Epitaph in EP3. She solved it after the 1st Twilight had taken place and everyone was taking shelter in the Guest House. Furthermore, in order to get to the gold, you must go to the Chapel, meaning getting out of the Guest House. Yasu must have noticed this, since she must have been watching them - otherwise, even if they did announce they had solved the epitaph, she wouldn't have been able to know, especially since she had killed Shannon and Kanon. So, either there's a mechanism that allows you to know the epitaph has been solved, or Yasu must have taken notice of Eva heading toward the chapel. Quote:
The Devil's Roulette, on the other hand, is just Yasu not even trying any more. She's just leaving her fate to luck. Quote:
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Although, I think most people just didn't try to merge those two together, because, well... logic.
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2011-07-20, 18:23 | Link #23309 |
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Concerning Battler's Absense in EP 7, I figured she had no control over Battler. I figured this was hinted when Will asked Maria about Mariage sorcerie, I'm sure most people think it was because ''it wasn't important so it's not needed'', but to me it seemed like ''Bernkastel is a dumbfuck and doesn't know enough to explain it in expert details, which would contradict Maria, I think I'll move her''. Will even compared what she did to ''moving a piece''
EDIT: Oh shit, guys, count the number of people(including Kanon and Shannon, considering them as people, if you consider only one of them to exist, add will, if you consider neither of them to exist, then fuck, add Bernkastel lol). You might see why Battler may have not been included. Last edited by cronnoponno; 2011-07-20 at 19:26. |
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Kyrie wouldn't kill Rudolf and probably wouldn't kill Battler for being Rudolf's blood. Natsuhi wouldn't kill the children or Krauss... This hypothesis isn't working. The black witch, even as a metaphor, can't be blamed for this. Quote:
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George: Fuck. Bern: Fuck. ~ The fact that Battler isn't there proves he is not required, and if he is not required, he isn't going to be there. Bernkastel doesn't fill her games with unnecessary details, as we see every time she has any sort of writing authority whatsoever, such as her game in EP8. BATTLER probably couldn't have stopped Bern's game, but he could've probably fucked it up.I don't think she'd want to give any window of oppurtunity for Will and Battler to team up or otherwise have any chance to exchange ideas. Also, I'm imagining the hilarity of Battler recognizing Lion as Yasu and ruining everything. Quote:
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2011-07-20, 20:51 | Link #23311 | |||
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I mean, my little brother is exactly that age now (just about to turn 12) - I sure hope he isn't about to lay the seeds for our doom in some young girls fractures psyche. Quote:
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Also, about the number of people, well, Will seems to exist entirely in the Meta, anyway. Or maybe he's like Erika and he's only as present as the story needs him to be. XD |
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2011-07-20, 20:57 | Link #23312 |
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Well, if you count Shannon and Kannon as people, that makes 18 if you exclude Battler. Perhaps I got a little too excited thinking that might have been important.
lol, for a bit of a laugh, I'm reading ep 7 now and as Yasu-Beatrice is doing the letter sacrificing on the chapel, she ponders about which I to throw away. The funny part is: ''Forget it, there's two 'I's'', if I mess up, I can simply try another one.'' (narration) Unless messing up sets off a trap that blows up the island, of course. |
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In addition, Shannontrice alone doesn't solve anything, since Shannon dies in the 1st Twilight of EP1 and there's Red from EP4's ??? Tea Party to back that up. Then we got read for her death in the 1st Twilight of EP3. Mind you, Shkanon meets this same problem in EP2 and EP3. The important factor that you need is the idea that additional personalities/roles can also count as people (in terms of Red Text, this is) - without this Shkanontrice is pretty mush useless. But well, other than the whole Jessica/Jessie bit in EP2, there weren't any really good hints - and I wouldn't call the Jessie hint good either. Moreover, I think asking people to put 3 characters in one plus the whole Personalities=People idea is asking too much, since that idea is hardly logical.
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Sure, that helped him a lot in EP6 and EP8. It also allowed him to prevent the game Bern started in EP7, which he was, of course, fully aware of.
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During the first part, all there was to it was to answer "who killed Beatrice?" and that was that. Quote:
That's what I'm trying to get at. Him being in the island is a fact. Now, we know the reason he's been absent for 6 years is due to issues related to his immediate family and that little by little he reintegrated into it. I think it was hinted that Rudolph begging for forgiveness was a major factor. But either way, in Lion's world, there must have been a difference so that Battler didn't show up. Mind you, the difference could be relevant or not to the mystery. I'm just trying to point out that there could be a big hint here. Quote:
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