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Randrak42 · 2013-04-24, 04:28

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Originally Posted by Kurosu

I'm now under the impression that Hakoniwa Academy was an institution for severe cases of 8th grade syndrome.

All the skills and minus and every bit of fighting...all in their imaginations.

Kon the Magnificent · 2013-04-25, 01:19

The End is here. I will miss this series. We had a good run and a very good four years. I won't forget this series that's for damn sure. Medaka Box was wonderful. All miss the characters especially Naze and Shiranui. They were my favorite.

Rejuvenation · 2013-04-25, 01:45

Feels like yesterday this series was just starting and now it is over. I have a soft spot for it since it is the first Jump series I was able to follow from its debut to when it officially ended. All of the other ones had ended over a decade ago(Ruroken, Houshin Engi, Dragonball etc) or had been going on already for several years.(HunterxHunter, One Piece etc)

My biggest complaint will probably be that it never fully explored and added depth to certain parts of the series. The compression was welcomed in some aspects(training arcs) but were depressing in others. Outside of a few ambiguous ends, I was good with the ending.

Also count me in on the dislike for the Japanese obsession with thinking adolescence/teenage years are apparently the best part of a life span that lasts decades. But that is largely due to their culture and how screwed up things get beyond their teenage years in society. So if nothing else, I do understand why they never seem to let that period of life go.

Just like Kurosu, I'm pretty surprised how much Jump supported the series all things considered. A shame it didn't hold up it's end of the bargain as much but the anime pretty much killed its chances to soar any higher. If Nishio ever does decide to do manga again I would love if he paired up with Akira Akatsuki a 2nd time. I liked their combination for the most part.

Wolfenstein · 2013-04-25, 01:46

"Meh" ending. It's been mostly fun, I guess. Would definitely hope many parts of the plot had not happened, but what is done is done.

Looking forward to that next Good Loser Kumagawa chapter.

Xion Valkyrie · 2013-04-25, 01:58

Are we sure it's over or is it all an elaborate troll?

LeaD36 · 2013-04-25, 02:33

i'll only be missing Kumagawa, or rather, Nisio's avatar :O

orangejuicetang · 2013-04-25, 04:06

Ending was kinda weird imo

IronicTruth · 2013-04-25, 04:43

I just really hope that the whole "Moon plan" does not make a sequel for this.

Grey · 2013-04-25, 05:20

So not just Medaka, but lots of them lost their powers?

Weak. That's like removing magic from a high-magic fantasy setting, or knocking everyone down to the stone age in a sci-fi setting. Or turning courageous, determined heroes into normal, mediocre people.

Meh. Oh well.

Sixth · 2013-04-25, 05:59

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Wow...what a crap ending. People loses their skills when they reached adulthood? Serious? Serious? That was extremely lame. If the writer wants his characters lost his power, at least come out with something sensible such as people gradually losing their powers because the earth's magnetic got disrupted because of no moon and etc....At least in FF6, the magic cease to exist because of God of Magic is dead.

Hate to says this but Nishio is really an incompetent writer...or rather, he chose to be incompetent.

Kurosu · 2013-04-25, 06:14

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Wow...what a crap ending. People loses their skills when they reached adulthood? Serious? Serious? That was extremely lame. If the writer wants his characters lost his power, at least come out with something sensible such as people gradually losing their powers because the earth's magnetic got disrupted because of no moon and etc....At least in FF6, the magic cease to exist because of God of Magic is dead.

Hate to says this but Nishio is really an incompetent writer...or rather, he chose to be incompetent.

Well, the god of "magic" is dead. Anshin'in-san is gone, right?

Tenchi Hou Take · 2013-04-25, 06:21

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Originally Posted by Kurosu

Well, the god of "magic" is dead. Anshin'in-san is gone, right?

Umm no she's alive as the chapter stated. Basically what this chapter was saying is that the abilities were directly linked to their personalities as they mellowed out as they grew older they gradually lost their abilities, Naze kept hers because her personality never really changed, and Shiranui never really changed full stop.

Homura7 · 2013-04-25, 06:30

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Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Umm no she's alive as the chapter stated. Basically what this chapter was saying is that the abilities were directly linked to their personalities as they mellowed out as they grew older they gradually lost their abilities, Naze kept her because hers personality never really changed, and Shiranui never really changed full stop.

That makes the "what a crap, they lost their skills because of growing adult" arguments look even more crappy then. But Rational thinking hasn't been the forte in this thread.

Sixth · 2013-04-25, 06:37

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Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

That makes the "what a crap, they lost their skills because of growing adult" arguments look even more crappy then. But Rational thinking hasn't been the forte in this thread.

Yes, it was completely irrational for someone who even defending this series.

I'm glad you realize that.

Jetzero Infinity · 2013-04-25, 06:58

I have to say I liked the ending. Wasn't mindblowingly good or anything but I can be complacent with the notion of skills being related to childhood and extreme personalities since the latter was pretty much outright told to us from the get go. I do like this explanation on TV Tropes someone brought up for it though:

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They specifically told us, didn't they? "No one's a genius over the age of 20". By the time you're an adult, both your natural talent (Plus) and your unfortunate circumstances (Minus) are supposed to stop being the major influences over your life. It's time to take responsibility for your life and who you want to be. You are what you've made of yourself, for better or worse.

The moon thing is still pretty weird though. I know it's best not to put too much logic into this series given how absurd it is but maybe they should have used something else instead.

I'll really miss this series. Sure it was far from perfect but it was almost always entertaining and it was fun reading each chapter just to see what absurd thing Nishio would pull on us next. Also have to say I enjoyed how much the series played with and subverted Shonen Jump tropes, even if it did have to play some of them straight in the end. Only serious regret is the middle school thing was never fully fleshed out, but I guess it's not that hard to put the pieces together for that one.

Overall I give the series a 4.8/5. It's a flawed but ultimately fun series and while I don't know if it'll get replaced as my favorite manga, I'll always remember how fun it was.

On a random note, not that it matters much or anything but who do you think won the fight between Zen and Medaka? Since she's not almighty anymore it's kind of hard to guess.

Thth · 2013-04-25, 07:49

Ok end.
The manga could have done without the retarded moon business. It took a complete nosedive after that. At least the last chapter was OK with some sort of conclusion rather than moon chapters + final arc which were complete disasters.

Humble Loser · 2013-04-25, 07:51

I would put money on Medaka winning. If she wanted to win bad enough, she could get back up from the 10+ dogs in the room, momentarily distract Zenkichi, fire a low blow and win the fight. Who knows.

It was a fun ride. I'm more mellow, so I took the good with the bad in a more calm stride than some here. Do I wish some things were better? Oh yeah. But it was unique enough that I realize it went beyond my expectations and gave me new ideas. Perhaps in the future, something this strange, crazy and at times trolling will be perfected. That would be fun to see.

Nemesis@ · 2013-04-25, 08:08

It was not so bad. We know that Zen and Medaka will marry since both kicked it. Unfortunately we have not seen any of the two kissing in the series finale. Well, I liked the page with all stages of Medaka. :P

Hopefully with GLK can see more of what happened.

Wolfenstein · 2013-04-25, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Jetzero Infinity

I do like this explanation on TV Tropes someone brought up for it though

One has to wonder, though. How do Zen's Zero's fit into all that? He has skills, but his mentality and such is neither plus nor minus.

Because a Zero is basically a skill to have that exact same description apply to Zenkichi when he was a teenager.
Devil Style neutralized fate and Model Zenkichi simply allowed Zenkichi to perceive his own limits.

So how did he lose that?

Thth · 2013-04-25, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Wolfenstein

One has to wonder, though. How do Zen's Zero's fit into all that? He has skills, but his mentality and such is neither plus nor minus.

Because a Zero is basically a skill to have that exact same description apply to Zenkichi when he was a teenager.
Devil Style neutralized fate and Model Zenkichi simply allowed Zenkichi to perceive his own limits.

So how did he lose that?

Shit happens. That's all the explanation needed lol.
Or he doesn't give a shit anymore, take you pick

2013-04-25, 01:45	Link #13343
Rejuvenation Final Elysium Join Date: Jun 2008	Feels like yesterday this series was just starting and now it is over. I have a soft spot for it since it is the first Jump series I was able to follow from its debut to when it officially ended. All of the other ones had ended over a decade ago(Ruroken, Houshin Engi, Dragonball etc) or had been going on already for several years.(HunterxHunter, One Piece etc) My biggest complaint will probably be that it never fully explored and added depth to certain parts of the series. The compression was welcomed in some aspects(training arcs) but were depressing in others. Outside of a few ambiguous ends, I was good with the ending. Also count me in on the dislike for the Japanese obsession with thinking adolescence/teenage years are apparently the best part of a life span that lasts decades. But that is largely due to their culture and how screwed up things get beyond their teenage years in society. So if nothing else, I do understand why they never seem to let that period of life go. Just like Kurosu, I'm pretty surprised how much Jump supported the series all things considered. A shame it didn't hold up it's end of the bargain as much but the anime pretty much killed its chances to soar any higher. If Nishio ever does decide to do manga again I would love if he paired up with Akira Akatsuki a 2nd time. I liked their combination for the most part. __________________

2013-04-25, 01:46	Link #13344
Wolfenstein Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	"Meh" ending. It's been mostly fun, I guess. Would definitely hope many parts of the plot had not happened, but what is done is done. Looking forward to that next Good Loser Kumagawa chapter. __________________

2013-04-25, 04:06	Link #13347
orangejuicetang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 32	Ending was kinda weird imo __________________ WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN If a corrupt court will not behead an evil king, than the watchman should do it himself.

2013-04-25, 01:19	Link #13342
Kon the Magnificent Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	The End is here. I will miss this series. We had a good run and a very good four years. I won't forget this series that's for damn sure. Medaka Box was wonderful. All miss the characters especially Naze and Shiranui. They were my favorite.

2013-04-25, 01:58	Link #13345
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Are we sure it's over or is it all an elaborate troll?

2013-04-25, 02:33	Link #13346
LeaD36 LeaDfactor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hungary, Budapest Age: 33	i'll only be missing Kumagawa, or rather, Nisio's avatar :O

2013-04-25, 04:43	Link #13348
IronicTruth Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I just really hope that the whole "Moon plan" does not make a sequel for this.

2013-04-25, 05:20	Link #13349
Grey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	So not just Medaka, but lots of them lost their powers? Weak. That's like removing magic from a high-magic fantasy setting, or knocking everyone down to the stone age in a sci-fi setting. Or turning courageous, determined heroes into normal, mediocre people. Meh. Oh well.

2013-04-25, 05:59	Link #13350
Sixth Hu Tao Join Date: Oct 2006	................... ................ .............. .............. ............. Wow...what a crap ending. People loses their skills when they reached adulthood? Serious? Serious? That was extremely lame. If the writer wants his characters lost his power, at least come out with something sensible such as people gradually losing their powers because the earth's magnetic got disrupted because of no moon and etc....At least in FF6, the magic cease to exist because of God of Magic is dead. Hate to says this but Nishio is really an incompetent writer...or rather, he chose to be incompetent.

2013-04-25, 07:49	Link #13356
Thth ??? Join Date: Aug 2008	Ok end. The manga could have done without the retarded moon business. It took a complete nosedive after that. At least the last chapter was OK with some sort of conclusion rather than moon chapters + final arc which were complete disasters.

2013-04-25, 07:51	Link #13357
Humble Loser Spineless Main Character Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Anywhere & Everywhere	I would put money on Medaka winning. If she wanted to win bad enough, she could get back up from the 10+ dogs in the room, momentarily distract Zenkichi, fire a low blow and win the fight. Who knows. It was a fun ride. I'm more mellow, so I took the good with the bad in a more calm stride than some here. Do I wish some things were better? Oh yeah. But it was unique enough that I realize it went beyond my expectations and gave me new ideas. Perhaps in the future, something this strange, crazy and at times trolling will be perfected. That would be fun to see.

2013-04-25, 08:08	Link #13358
Nemesis@ Junior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2013 Age: 31	It was not so bad. We know that Zen and Medaka will marry since both kicked it. Unfortunately we have not seen any of the two kissing in the series finale. Well, I liked the page with all stages of Medaka. :P Hopefully with GLK can see more of what happened.