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0utf0xZer0 · 2010-09-24, 14:12

Seitokai's 6000+ unit average over two volumes seems pretty solid looking at data from the past few years, there's quite a few shows that got sequels with those sorts of sales numbers. That said, per volume sales numbers in 2010 seem very strong compared to a few years back (I get the impression that the industry was producing more than it could effectively sell at that time) so I have to wonder if the bar has been raised.

Does anyone have experience with showing this to other people? I love this show, but I found it took me a few episodes to really get into it. In my experience, that's not always conducive to getting people to give a show a chance.

Sinestra · 2010-09-24, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Vexx

There definitely won't be one *next* season as the slots are already all allocated. But next year there will be material from volume 3, 4, and possibly 5 to work with ... so I'd assume that both Working!! and Seitokai Yakuindomo are *possible*.

The industry is really strange in this respect -- many anime shows with very obvious sequel potential in terms of sales and merchandise don't happen. It is almost neurotic the way they seem to cast off obviously successful properties to "do something else". Problem is you can only do so many "something else" properties before they start looking like knockoffs of each other.

Exactly the reason why i didnt hold my breath for getting a Working!! sequel anytime soon much to my dismay. This aspect of the anime industry can be quite frustrating for some hardcore fans of certain franchisees.

I will certainly miss Seitokai Yakuindomo once its over its become one of my corner stone animes for the week.

Vexx · 2010-09-24, 15:18

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Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Seitokai's 6000+ unit average over two volumes seems pretty solid looking at data from the past few years, there's quite a few shows that got sequels with those sorts of sales numbers. That said, per volume sales numbers in 2010 seem very strong compared to a few years back (I get the impression that the industry was producing more than it could effectively sell at that time) so I have to wonder if the bar has been raised.

Does anyone have experience with showing this to other people? I love this show, but I found it took me a few episodes to really get into it. In my experience, that's not always conducive to getting people to give a show a chance.

I've shown it to a few people... first thing is they have to commit to 3 episodes (~60 minutes -minus the OP/ED after 1st view). If they do that, they usually start laughing. Most of them start laughing more around the time Tsuda is moaning/crying when Shino is watching the "idol video" and keeps firing questions at Tsuda. That and Hata are usually enough "hook". Then there's the Mutsumi "confession mode judo" moment...

People who are willing to sit through "2 hr premiere" of a series ought to be willing to give 3 episodes a chance (or at least that's my persuasive point

).

Saturn Beaver · 2010-09-24, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Vexx

I've shown it to a few people... first thing is they have to commit to 3 episodes (~60 minutes -minus the OP/ED after 1st view). If they do that, they usually start laughing. Most of them start laughing more around the time Tsuda is moaning/crying when Shino is watching the "idol video" and keeps firing questions at Tsuda. That and Hata are usually enough "hook". Then there's the Mutsumi "confession mode judo" moment...

People who are willing to sit through "2 hr premiere" of a series ought to be willing to give 3 episodes a chance (or at least that's my persuasive point

).

For me, I recommended it to a friend last week, though I wonder how much it counts since he already loves "dirty" type of humor like this. He's pretty much hooked as early as the Tsuda video, and already marathoned all 12 eps last I talked to him, asking me for more.

I do agree, I find about 3-episode taste-test is the most ideal way to gauge a series. Just seeing the pilot is sometimes okay (Cross Game comes to mind), but sometimes it's not enough to see everything, in 3 eps sometimes we can get a short arc which would be enough to predict what's the show is about. I experienced it here, I found the first episode to be just average but I gave it a chance and true enough, in a few episodes afterward it managed to find its footing and become even funnier as time goes on.

Westlo · 2010-09-24, 18:27

Off AOD... Seitokai Yakuindomo Vol. 3 does 1,430/3,607 for 5,037. Vol. 1 is up to 6,446.

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Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Seitokai's 6000+ unit average over two volumes seems pretty solid looking at data from the past few years, there's quite a few shows that got sequels with those sorts of sales numbers.

6000+ is well above the Manabi Line (2,899) of where most shows turn a profit. I think a sequel depends on what GoHands wants to do, since they have left Satelite to strike out on their own they've done Princess Lover, Seitokai Yakuindomo and are working on three 1 hour movies of Mardock Scramble... this will really show us how good GoHands are at animation.

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Exactly the reason why i didnt hold my breath for getting a Working!! sequel anytime soon much to my dismay. This aspect of the anime industry can be quite frustrating for some hardcore fans of certain franchisees.

A-1 Studio's is big.. and of the 4 shows they have produced that have sold over 10,000 copies.. 2 have received sequels this year, 1 is waiting on material from a manga on hiatus due to the sickness of the mangaka and the last one is Working.

Kannagi and Working will get sequels.. it's just a matter of when not if... well Kanngai was at "if" not to long ago but the mangaka seems to have recovered.

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I will certainly miss Seitokai Yakuindomo once its over its become one of my corner stone animes for the week.

Working was my cornerstone last season and Seitokai has been for this season.. hope I can find something for the upcoming one..

coderlan · 2010-09-25, 03:15

need more Mutsumi!! anyway, i hope that there is a second season.

Solafighter · 2010-09-25, 05:39

Question: Are the DVD/Blue Ray's without the censoring? Like, that the bad words are not blurred with the beeep sound.

Or are they the very same, just with better quality?

Chuumi · 2010-09-25, 06:07

SYD is one of the best comedies of the season year in my opinion. Not one episode has failed to make me laugh, and the voice actors are amazing! This is one of the first animes I have watched where I like every character's voice. Speaking of voices, is Tsuda's friend voiced by Shiraishi Minoru? That scream gave me some serious Taniguchi-vibes

.

My favourite moment from episode 12 was Kotomi's interview (my, my, she and Yokoshima-sensei are going to become great friends, huh?), followed by Tsuda immidiately knowing who the interviewer was and picturing Yokoshima-sensei in a George-outfit going "yay!". Suzu being held like a baby was another fine moment, especially with that background and music

.

It really is a shame that the next episode is goint to be the last one.

Saturn Beaver · 2010-09-25, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Solafighter

Question: Are the DVD/Blue Ray's without the censoring? Like, that the bad words are not blurred with the beeep sound.

Or are they the very same, just with better quality?

I don't have them myself, but if I remember what the other guys already said here correctly, they said that the mosaics (like in the OP) are removed, and there's two audio tracks you can follow, one with bleeps and and one without.

About this show being the no.1 comedy anime this year, I'm not too sure...if every episode is something like, say, ep 11 then maybe, but like Arakawa last season this type comedy may not be suited to everyone and needs some getting used to for a couple episodes. Especially if Baka Test got included in this year...

Waven · 2010-09-25, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

*snip*

... Especially if Baka Test got included in this year...

Good objection, I'd have a hard time telling which one i like better in terms of comedy.
Then again I don't think I need to since those two are so much different in how the comedic content is presented, especially with SYD having a great reflective awareness of its own cheesy jokes and on top of that being completely and refreshingly blunt about it.
So as you mentioned it pretty much depends on one's taste but i also think in many cases (just as myself) people will like both for their respective qualities.

Seiryuu · 2010-09-25, 11:03

OK, I see the way the censor thing works. Are there any fansubs that have the uncensored versions? Also, are there any AVI format versions with the uncensored track? I found one sub, Kira (appears to be one of the group that takes existing sub text and replaces the video with its BD version). I'd like to have them in AVI, because while my main computer handles mkv, mp4, etc. without a hitch, I sometimes like to watch it on my portable (and much older) computer, or put it on my PS3 (which refuses to support those files).

Midonin · 2010-09-25, 12:10

Spoiler for SkYnet Database 13 - "The End in the Middle, The Middle at the Beginning and the Beginning is Nowhere In Sight":

serenade_beta · 2010-09-25, 14:09

Spoiler for last episode and final thoughts:

Hypernova · 2010-09-25, 21:02

It sure is weird having the 4th wall broken so thoroughly in an anime, to the point of promoting the series after them.

Vexx · 2010-09-25, 21:39

Probably one of the outstanding gifs of the season... she's having so much fun.

But yeah... ditto serenade beta, finished this with a bit of a ego-laced train wreck by the production team. OTOH... there's certainly enough authentic material for at least 12 more episodes.

Newsflash to anime production teams -- you are usually NOT as funny or able to write as well as the manga/lightnovel writers who were able to get their material green lit for adaptation. Stop it.

gecd · 2010-09-25, 21:39

Spoiler for final eps:

Decagon · 2010-09-25, 21:52

For ep 13, I think the 4th wall bit about Hakuoiki strongly suggests 2nd season by the way it was presented. The wrap party format of the 2nd half was meh though, even though we did get some modified "flashbacks". No reason why they couldn't have just used the normal rapid-fire joke format to get to the last few minutes where they concluded things.

Hooves · 2010-09-25, 22:08

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It sure is weird having the 4th wall broken so thoroughly in an anime, to the point of promoting the series after them.

Spoiler for Picture:

I find this disturbing in sooooooo many situations

Milfeulle9001 · 2010-09-25, 23:19

SYD ended today.

It is a sad day.

HandofFate · 2010-09-26, 00:20

nooo...its over. Not the best episode, but I guess it did its thing in wrapping everything up.

I think my favorite character is Mitsuba, she brightens up every scene with her energy. Also loved her 'memory scene' portion of this episode.

2010-09-24, 14:12	Link #861
0utf0xZer0 Pretentious moe scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 37	Seitokai's 6000+ unit average over two volumes seems pretty solid looking at data from the past few years, there's quite a few shows that got sequels with those sorts of sales numbers. That said, per volume sales numbers in 2010 seem very strong compared to a few years back (I get the impression that the industry was producing more than it could effectively sell at that time) so I have to wonder if the bar has been raised. Does anyone have experience with showing this to other people? I love this show, but I found it took me a few episodes to really get into it. In my experience, that's not always conducive to getting people to give a show a chance. __________________ Signature courtesy of Ganbaru.

2010-09-25, 05:39	Link #867
Solafighter Hige Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: God only knows	Question: Are the DVD/Blue Ray's without the censoring? Like, that the bad words are not blurred with the beeep sound. Or are they the very same, just with better quality? __________________

2010-09-25, 06:07	Link #868
Chuumi Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Norway Age: 29	SYD is one of the best comedies of the season year in my opinion. Not one episode has failed to make me laugh, and the voice actors are amazing! This is one of the first animes I have watched where I like every character's voice. Speaking of voices, is Tsuda's friend voiced by Shiraishi Minoru? That scream gave me some serious Taniguchi-vibes . My favourite moment from episode 12 was Kotomi's interview (my, my, she and Yokoshima-sensei are going to become great friends, huh?), followed by Tsuda immidiately knowing who the interviewer was and picturing Yokoshima-sensei in a George-outfit going "yay!". Suzu being held like a baby was another fine moment, especially with that background and music . It really is a shame that the next episode is goint to be the last one. __________________ MAL

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Midonin Last Engage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida	Spoiler for SkYnet Database 13 - "The End in the Middle, The Middle at the Beginning and the Beginning is Nowhere In Sight": I liked how the opening giving of the rule was in the same location as the first episode. It seemed like a fairly normal turn of events, with the introduction of Todoroki, the last castmember who was in the OP but not the show. Laughs to be had and fun for all. Then things got weird. And awesome. Kotomi's schmaltzy middle-end-credits, leading into what appears to be a clip show. The operative word being "appears". Flashbacks to things that never happened and indeed never can happen, and in some cases, in entirely different genres. Then a preview for a new show (Magical Mako), which I wish actually existed in some form. This is a splendid way to go out. A hailstorm of reflexivity and the show saying, in the politest but most incredible way, "Screw you, fourth wall." For that, it has earned my respect for now and for a long time from now. Viva metafiction!

2010-09-25, 14:09	Link #873
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for last episode and final thoughts: Haa... Damn it, staff... staff... staff... There was plenty of the manga left, so maybe say... do Kotomi going to the school for the first time or something. But no, let's just do original stuff for the majority of the last episode. To top it off, IT WASN"T INTERESTING. Last time I checked, the staff was Princess Lover, right? Yeah, everything makes sense. Once again, they decide "Oho, my ideas are so funny and awesome" and decided to go crazy on their anime again. Of all things, why must you ruin the last episode! The very important last episode! I was looking so forward to it, and now this...! And on top of that, Todorogi's voice actor is so bad, it makes Mutsumi's sound like an angel's. The voice was so flat, I couldn't really pay attention to the following jokes. The thing is that this voice actor isn't even a newbie, it seems. Since the 90s' or something... Geesh... But hey, in general, 10/10. I love this manga (less than Imouto ha Shishunki though), so I can't give it less than 10/10. EVEN THOUGH, there are some clear problems. Everything based off the manga ended up being really good. This can't be helped, because it should be really good. It's Tozen's sense! The guy who writes years and years of dirty jokes, and somehow never gets boring. I praise the staff for doing those scenes fairly well. I was wondering how an anime version of the jokes would turn out, but it turned out fine. And to show that, the sales were also good. Not that I expected any less. The problem... is the staff's tension and sense, I guess. When they put a couple of original scenes mixed with the usual content, it doesn't stand out as much, and is funny at times. But then... the times they failed to make it funny. For instance, the original episode. Definitely not as fun as it should be, and the characters weren't even keeping to their character. Of course, I don't expect anyone to just be able to copy Tozen's sense, but in that case, don't add so much original that it stands out. The first half of the first episode tried too hard and slipped, too. This made me worried about the future, but it turned out alright. Anyways, enough of the negative stuff. Animation was pretty stable Tozen's jokes were animated well Character designs were great. DVD covers awesome (especially Mutsumi's) OP and ED had a good tension The anime pretty much doubled the manga sales. Yay~~~ ..........Now then, next season, I wish for success for SoraOto and MM!... Mainly worried about the latter... Wait! Must not be so negative... It'll turn out fine, surely. PS: Ah, forgot. One thing that was unfortunate is that only Akahon got slightly animated. Even for just a few seconds, I wanted to see Manaka animated... Sigh... Not that that manga could be animated, though. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

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coderlan Student Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Philippines	need more Mutsumi!! anyway, i hope that there is a second season.

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Seiryuu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	OK, I see the way the censor thing works. Are there any fansubs that have the uncensored versions? Also, are there any AVI format versions with the uncensored track? I found one sub, Kira (appears to be one of the group that takes existing sub text and replaces the video with its BD version). I'd like to have them in AVI, because while my main computer handles mkv, mp4, etc. without a hitch, I sometimes like to watch it on my portable (and much older) computer, or put it on my PS3 (which refuses to support those files).

2010-09-25, 21:02	Link #874
Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	It sure is weird having the 4th wall broken so thoroughly in an anime, to the point of promoting the series after them. Last edited by Hypernova; 2010-09-25 at 21:17.

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Probably one of the outstanding gifs of the season... she's having so much fun. But yeah... ditto serenade beta, finished this with a bit of a ego-laced train wreck by the production team. OTOH... there's certainly enough authentic material for at least 12 more episodes. Newsflash to anime production teams -- you are usually NOT as funny or able to write as well as the manga/lightnovel writers who were able to get their material green lit for adaptation. Stop it. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories! Last edited by Vexx; 2010-09-25 at 21:49.

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gecd Cah Gunungkidul Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jogja Age: 35	Spoiler for final eps: that's....very anticlimactic the staff ruin it with original jokes that not funny at all but in positive side, we have plenty material for season 2 ( shino gives us hope after all )

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Decagon This was meaningless Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Not on this site no more. Age: 36	For ep 13, I think the 4th wall bit about Hakuoiki strongly suggests 2nd season by the way it was presented. The wrap party format of the 2nd half was meh though, even though we did get some modified "flashbacks". No reason why they couldn't have just used the normal rapid-fire joke format to get to the last few minutes where they concluded things.

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Milfeulle9001 Member Join Date: Sep 2010	SYD ended today. It is a sad day.

2010-09-26, 00:20	Link #880
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	nooo...its over. Not the best episode, but I guess it did its thing in wrapping everything up. I think my favorite character is Mitsuba, she brightens up every scene with her energy. Also loved her 'memory scene' portion of this episode. __________________ ...