2007-12-03, 05:41 | Link #2001 | |
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Besides, I don't mean that the diclonius will necessarily win in the battle between humans. I'm just saying, that's what the diclonius intends to do, or at least that's what I'm trying to say. And it doesn't matter if all the diclonius with vectors are killed off or hiding, since I'm basically saying that they've produced more to get rid of all humans. And if I remember correctly, the director himself is diclonius (and so was his brother). Just because they don't have vectors like their female counterpart, does that make them humans? I'd be much more inclined to believe that they're male diclonius without vectors rather than them being normal humans with erm, pointy thing coming out of their heads. And Nana still have cold blooded killer instinct inside her, like all diclonius. The research, well at least according to them, they start showing killer nature at a young age by instinctively killing people at the smallest threats and sometimes for just fun. For this diclonius race and men to exist, they need love and acceptance like the relationship between Kouta and Lucy has shown, but there simply is too much discrimination as we've all clearly seen. Nana was able to repress her killer side simply through the love and understanding given by the man with glasses, and Kouta and co. |
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2007-12-03, 09:00 | Link #2002 |
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The way your first one was said made it sound as if it would be a hostile take over. I was responding to that. Of course the more plausible method would be slow integration. But in that sense, you couldn't really call humanity dead. Also, I thought it was said earlier that they were mutated humans, not their own species? Or rather, more evolved humans. Since the method you said still required them to implant humans, that would be more of a rapid evolution of humans than a complete destruction fo them. But both are bad in the big pictures, but this version isn't nearly as bad as diclonius taking to the streets in force, lol.
Slow integration would probably actually work, or at least you do this long enough until you have a big enough force to start a hostile take over, by that point, it is far too late. But this method would take time, and the old man looked like he didn't want to wait. Also, another thing I wonder. Say the diclonius do take Earth from humans and all humans are either dead or those surviving are hiding, what then? Since all the diclonius have that killer instinct, would they just start to kill each other? Or would they over come it then I wonder. Last edited by TigerII; 2007-12-03 at 09:11. |
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That arc in the anime was very different from the manga and the last anime scene never happened in the manga. Nyu, minus horns, returned right after her fight with Mariko. And Kouta didn't see the fights or get his memory back.
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2007-12-03, 11:46 | Link #2005 | |
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2007-12-09, 03:26 | Link #2011 |
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Actually there is no confirmation of season two yet from any credible source. Unless one is tool enough to believe a rumour spread in random forums or fan-made clips. Or maybe I'm living under a rock, so someone may kindly enlighten this lazy fool with a credible source.
I also dislike using manga to derive plots in anime, since they're essentially two different stories (just like how manga and anime in Bokurano, FullMetalAlchemist, etc. tell different stories). What's important are the things occuring on the screen and not on the pages. Ignoring your take on characters, messages, story progression, etc. and accepting informations spoon fed from what is essentially a different story, is what I'd consider as a blind interpretation. |
2007-12-11, 18:19 | Link #2014 |
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Well, I managed to stumble across this anime at least twenty times whenever I was looking for suggestions, or whenever I was just looking through animes which seemed kind of interesting. And that's exactly what this anime was... interesting.
In a way, I feel like the nudity could have been done away with. It was really just fanservice for the male audience. Eventually, I just kind of learned to ignore it, but it was strange for the first few episodes to have so much of it. It almost seemed a bit forced... Kind of like Yuta's "Would you like to suck my breasts" comment in one of the early episodes... The violence was gruesome. Since the main theme of this anime was violence, it wasn't quite as bad as some of the romances I've seen. Like, I found this show to be less unsettling than School Days, because violence was to be expected in here. The only scene, other than the first 8 minutes, which really got to me was when number 35 destroyed her foster mother, since they showed the rib cage bursting out of her body. The last episode did get me tear up, which was a plus. But the biggest plus goes to the plotline and the original concept. The guy who was writing this really knew what he was talking about, so it made it all the better. I really don't see them making a second season of this to finish the adaptation. Especially since this was made in 2004, it's a little too far for a second season. And I REALLY hope the manga will be completely scanlated before it gets liscenced. I'd give this anime a 7/10. It would have been an 8 without the nudity.
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And yes, 7/10. Higher or lower than you expected?
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2007-12-11, 21:36 | Link #2018 |
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You and I share a very similar opinion. Shocking nudity and violence instantly grabbed me from the beginning, but it was obvious that it was getting blatant throughout the series. One thing Elfen Lied desperately needed was subtelty, but unfortunately, the potentially powerful story was smeared by all the blatantly forced violence, nudity and other type of fanservice. There are numerous other minor flaws as well, but that was my biggest problem with the series. Overall I would personally rate this series 6/10, redeemed only by somewhat touching last episode, and rather unusual ending.
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2007-12-12, 06:19 | Link #2019 | |
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The fact the a pet dog was beaten to death, with blood splattering on young kids. A girl being sexually abused by her step father that kinda portrays the strong emotions that this anime holds. I believe that the point of this anime was to tell a strong,shocking,tragic story without nudity and voilence it would not be the anime it is. Elfien lied in its full unforgiving state is perfect. Censor it and your lower its free unrelenting power. There are many many animes that you could censor but would it really make it better? The scene in 'arc the lad' where he strangles his best friend? The scene in 'Higurashi no naku koroni' when keichi beats some girls to death? etc. Take away those scenes or reconstruct them and what would you be left with? The same anime with half the emotion gone. I would give elfien lied 10/10 because I cannot think of anyway I could improve this. It has style,depth,shock factor,deep love,imagnative deaths and all packed with those beautiful intros/endings. I am sure the directors and the writer lynn okamoto are happy with the final results. |
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2007-12-12, 08:44 | Link #2020 |
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You don't have to show everything so blatantly in order to get the full effect. It works in the case of films like Shindler's list, in order to portray the bestiality of men as it is. Elfen Lied does it poorly and in bad taste. Higurashi comparison is a bad example because they used it much more effectively. Subtlety would have been much more effective. Take Now and then here and there for example, where almost any violent (or rape scene) scored much stronger effects without showing anything, only invoking powerful things in our imagination.
I guess it's me who's missing this wonderful and creative point of this show, and I for one, don't mind missing out on those 'terriblly depressing feelings' one bit, when watching some poorly drawn bodies being chopped off in 'imaginative deaths'(thats a new one), and an underaged girl doing it with her step-father in a doggystyle. |
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