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Dawnbringerz · 2011-03-03, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

And the lesson if the episode is: Befriend Madoka, get your big and last death flag.

I see a Mami deja vu

panzerfan · 2011-03-03, 18:30

I feel a bit bad about being incompetent in Japanese. I didn't take any lesson at all in it and I should really take more time at it... but anyways. Yes, many have noticed that being close to Madoka gives you an automatic death flag, especially if you're going on a raid. By the way, I felt that this episode is not as well put together as the previous one. Having said that, what the Incubator has spewed forth alone is enough food for thought that it'd last a good week at least. It may just be that the amount of time devoted to the development of Kyouko is so compressed...

One good part about this episode is that Madoka ended up becoming more resolute, and perhaps has a more fleshed out outlook than before. I wonder how things will evolve at this rate though...

Fishbait · 2011-03-03, 18:35

Well we certainly saw it coming but it was still sad

Dark Wing · 2011-03-03, 18:46

gg just released...is downloading as we speak...

Deconstructor · 2011-03-03, 19:07

Darn, missed the orgy of mass hyspeculah.
Next week then. I shall take a one day absence to watch the episode.

BaKaBaKaOtaKu · 2011-03-03, 19:15

kyoko...ahuhuhu..

haven't seen the ep though. gonna watch it later..

ars89 · 2011-03-03, 19:26

So find out Kyuube's reason for making MS.

Sad to see Kyoko take herself out with Sayaka. I wonder if there was a way for her to survive and only take out Sayaka.

Best line - when you decide to die for the universe call me. What a way to lure someone in.

Wonder what Homura can do alone.

RedWing · 2011-03-03, 19:44

Mind = Blown
I expected and hoped that Sayaka would bite the bullet, but Kyoko too?!! Kyubey was awesome in his nonchalance and was unexpectedly evil in his utilitarianism.

Nice use of music, and the symbolism of Kyoko's previous belief's was done well. The episode was undeniably sad in town throughout, but it didn't come off sappy or overemotional despite the heaviness of the themes being presented. The only thing I wish and continue to wish is that the show doesn't decide to become shoujo after all this with a Clannad-esque destruction of all that is good about it. If it can do the final strides to the finish in the same tone as so far it will definitely enter into my personal Anime Hall of Fame.

Kismet-chan · 2011-03-03, 19:55

WOW @ QB "If you wish to die for the sake of the universe, give me a call!"

I think the biggest mindfuck I could get at this point is finding out by the end of the series that QB is NOT evil. That would be a lot more impressive in my book.

Oh, and the music in Sayaka's realm was beautiful.

scr · 2011-03-03, 20:08

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Originally Posted by ruurguy

My point was you are trying to make it clean and neat though. The fact that you completely dismiss QB as essentially evil is very much clean and neat.

What. If what you mean is "scr is dismissing the possibility of QB being evil", I never stated that. My opinion is that QB _is_ evil, but maybe I didn't make it obvious enough.

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Originally Posted by ruurguy

The fact that you think that with all our testing that twenty years from now we won't discover some flaw with your "carefully engineered" crops is clean and neat. People can put in every effort of their investigation right now, have all the best intentions of the best way to go for now and the future. AND IT CAN BE ALL WRONG.

Yes, it can. That's _exactly_ why there are all sort of tests, so that the flaws can be discovered now rather than later. This is the reason why medicines are so goddamn [the rest of expletives redacted] expensive to the dismay of the people in the undeveloped countries: even if those medicines are cheap to make, testing new medicines makes the cost rise to stellar level.

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Originally Posted by ruurguy

For all we know that's what QB in fact has already done. Maybe they tried 10 million things. And decided after research, the least damaging thing they could do was to find girls to go through this cycle. They carefully studied this, carefully engineered how it would work, put every effort to minimize the damage. And yet it's really really wrong.

Have you ever heard of this neat little thing called Occam's Razor?

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Originally Posted by ruurguy

Of course the characters are going to fight it and probably find a better idea. That is how anime goes.

This is my expectation too.

Decagon · 2011-03-03, 20:17

I like how this episode seemed to rather bluntly address some things that people were discussing quite actively for a while. Like critiquing Madoka's being on the sidelines versus becoming a magical girl or what QB's purpose of creating MGs is.

Though I think I have an inkling of why these young (Japanese) (school)girls are chosen to harvest--it's their moe points! This most intangible of sensations must be the origin of such fantastic energy that defies our laws of thermodynamics!

panzerfan · 2011-03-03, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Decagon

Though I think I have an inkling of why these young (Japanese) (school)girls are chosen to harvest--it's their moe points! This most intangible of sensations must be the origin of such fantastic energy that defies our laws of thermodynamics!

I think I will have to remember this for posterity. But How do we explain crossdressing Zombie Masou Shoujo Ayumu then?

Jokes and Morning Rescues aside, Madoka certainly has a bias against the Incubator now. She cannot easily justify the sacrifice of the few for the sake of many, and she sees the Incubator as a deceiver. I think that many of the audience do sympathize with her on having those thoughts... of course, some still hold against her reluctance to bring herself to assume those same risks that her friends paid with their lives for. Maybe the audience in itself is as fascinating as any of the characters in this story.

Decagon · 2011-03-03, 20:27

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Originally Posted by panzerfan

I think I will have to remember this for posterity. But How do we explain crossdressing Zombie Masou Shoujo Ayumu then?

I think the slight distortion caused by existence of a curious bulge sufficiently destabilizes the natural wavelength of moe energy to the point where it is too tenuous to release energy as pure as that from real magical girls.

Dark Wing · 2011-03-03, 20:30

just watched the episodes...wow just freaking wow...i wish Kaijo was here do deliver awesome discussions on this episode seeing as he was kinda right about Kyuube...

SagaraSouske · 2011-03-03, 20:31

In his revelation, QB did mention why the adolescent girls were chosen. It's because their emotional swing can be the biggest and thus generate the most energy. Now even for a second we can take his word at face value, it implies that 'any' human can be witchfied and generate energy from SG -> Grief Seed transition. After all, it's human soul that generate this energy. 'If' the goal was to stave off entropy as QB stated, there is no reason for them to only use adolescent girls. In fact, the best solution would be for them to seed multitude of worlds with humans and let them breed as fast as they can through both nature and technology (artificial insemination, cloning, etc) and create an explosion of human population to be exploit for their soul and therefore energy to use. After all, using one race out of all millions and billions that possibly exist in the universe to save the universe is for the greater good right.

He also conveniently left out the part that he eats the grief seed. If all that is needed is the energy released from SG -> grief seed transition, why would he collect grief seeds?

Additionally, why then are QBs not forcing the girls to contracts. They clearly don't respect human morals and values. For what reasons were the rules of contract put into place?

No, I don't buy his rationalization at all. It's yet again part of his manipulation on Madoka.

panzerfan · 2011-03-03, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Dark Wing

just watched the episodes...wow just freaking wow...i wish Kaijo was here do deliver awesome discussions on this episode seeing as he was kinda right about Kyuube...

Well it depends. Kaijo held one view very dearly about the Incubator, when the audience cannot really focus on any one individual view. I respect his personal conviction to that view, but the problem is when it goes too far and becomes generalizing. Even I made the mistake of questioning the rights for the observer audience to press judgment onto the Incubator beyond that of their own personal conclusion, and worst of all I fell to using very hurtful words to convey those thoughts. This is something that I personally regret. He was ardent in conveying that view, and it led to an escalation where he was no longer being subjective and the conversation degenerated to the point that he was losing willingness to address rebuttals as he goes to escalating length to strengthen his arguments. It had to be put to a stop somehow... keep in mind that he faces others that are also declaring their convictions and they clash rather aggressively. I think that is about as far as we should delve into the matter.

@taofd: It may be possible to reverse the process (or entropy at a macroscopic scale due to Madoka Hax or something like that) ... but that's just me.

Riga92 · 2011-03-03, 20:43

Well...I'm certainly sad now. Kyoko, my favorite char of the show, sacrificed herself in vain trying to save Sayaka...

Well atleast Kyoko and Sayaka died together...

So apparently Kyubey is not from this world and apparently he and is race are trying to save the universe by harvesting the energy when MGs turn into witches...I'm sorry, but thats just bullshit. After all the things he's done, I can't accept that he's trying to save the universe, he must have a deeper motive. Homura's knows his plan, and she said she'll do whatever it takes to stop him, so it must not be to save the universe.

Dark Wing · 2011-03-03, 20:46

It could be that they don't see a problem since there are already 6 billion + already with 10 born ever 4 seconds however there must be something beyond what he says there always is.

Also i'd like to bring up that Kyuube didn't really lie to Kyoko he said he didn't know of a way of saving Sayaka so that wasn't really a lie.

taofd · 2011-03-03, 20:46

Now we know QB's motivation.

We also know that it MAY or MAY not be possible for Mahou Shoujo to save Sayaka. As QB himself states, their powers are the exception to the law of entropy. The human soul (or a sentient being with emotion) produces what appears to be an infinite amount of energy.

As QB states, "The existence of Mahou Shoujo itself is against reason / common sense".

So far, we have seen one side of the coin. Mahou Shoujo that fall into grief become Witches... Is it possible the opposite is possible as well?

ChronoReverse · 2011-03-03, 20:50

QB can go **** itself and his race. If they're willing to sacrifice humans to get their energy then they can go sacrifice themselves instead so the energy could be left to the humans.

At least the humans generate their own energy it seems. Parasites should go die.

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panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	I feel a bit bad about being incompetent in Japanese. I didn't take any lesson at all in it and I should really take more time at it... but anyways. Yes, many have noticed that being close to Madoka gives you an automatic death flag, especially if you're going on a raid. By the way, I felt that this episode is not as well put together as the previous one. Having said that, what the Incubator has spewed forth alone is enough food for thought that it'd last a good week at least. It may just be that the amount of time devoted to the development of Kyouko is so compressed... One good part about this episode is that Madoka ended up becoming more resolute, and perhaps has a more fleshed out outlook than before. I wonder how things will evolve at this rate though... __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori Last edited by panzerfan; 2011-03-03 at 19:04.

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Dark Wing Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Age: 38	gg just released...is downloading as we speak... __________________

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BaKaBaKaOtaKu Stupidity is Bliss. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: In Hancock's Heart	kyoko...ahuhuhu.. haven't seen the ep though. gonna watch it later.. __________________ Faberry Quinn and Rachel

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ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	So find out Kyuube's reason for making MS. Sad to see Kyoko take herself out with Sayaka. I wonder if there was a way for her to survive and only take out Sayaka. Best line - when you decide to die for the universe call me. What a way to lure someone in. Wonder what Homura can do alone. __________________ My Anime List

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Fishbait Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Well we certainly saw it coming but it was still sad

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Deconstructor Crossdressing Menmatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Where you live... the question is, do you see me? Age: 30	Darn, missed the orgy of mass hyspeculah. Next week then. I shall take a one day absence to watch the episode.

2011-03-03, 19:44	Link #68
RedWing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Mind = Blown I expected and hoped that Sayaka would bite the bullet, but Kyoko too?!! Kyubey was awesome in his nonchalance and was unexpectedly evil in his utilitarianism. Nice use of music, and the symbolism of Kyoko's previous belief's was done well. The episode was undeniably sad in town throughout, but it didn't come off sappy or overemotional despite the heaviness of the themes being presented. The only thing I wish and continue to wish is that the show doesn't decide to become shoujo after all this with a Clannad-esque destruction of all that is good about it. If it can do the final strides to the finish in the same tone as so far it will definitely enter into my personal Anime Hall of Fame.

2011-03-03, 19:55	Link #69
Kismet-chan The Chaotic Dreamer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In a cruel yet beautiful world Age: 32	WOW @ QB "If you wish to die for the sake of the universe, give me a call!" I think the biggest mindfuck I could get at this point is finding out by the end of the series that QB is NOT evil. That would be a lot more impressive in my book. Oh, and the music in Sayaka's realm was beautiful. __________________

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Decagon This was meaningless Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Not on this site no more. Age: 36	I like how this episode seemed to rather bluntly address some things that people were discussing quite actively for a while. Like critiquing Madoka's being on the sidelines versus becoming a magical girl or what QB's purpose of creating MGs is. Though I think I have an inkling of why these young (Japanese) (school)girls are chosen to harvest--it's their moe points! This most intangible of sensations must be the origin of such fantastic energy that defies our laws of thermodynamics!

2011-03-03, 20:30	Link #74
Dark Wing Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Age: 38	just watched the episodes...wow just freaking wow...i wish Kaijo was here do deliver awesome discussions on this episode seeing as he was kinda right about Kyuube... __________________

2011-03-03, 20:31	Link #75
SagaraSouske Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	In his revelation, QB did mention why the adolescent girls were chosen. It's because their emotional swing can be the biggest and thus generate the most energy. Now even for a second we can take his word at face value, it implies that 'any' human can be witchfied and generate energy from SG -> Grief Seed transition. After all, it's human soul that generate this energy. 'If' the goal was to stave off entropy as QB stated, there is no reason for them to only use adolescent girls. In fact, the best solution would be for them to seed multitude of worlds with humans and let them breed as fast as they can through both nature and technology (artificial insemination, cloning, etc) and create an explosion of human population to be exploit for their soul and therefore energy to use. After all, using one race out of all millions and billions that possibly exist in the universe to save the universe is for the greater good right. He also conveniently left out the part that he eats the grief seed. If all that is needed is the energy released from SG -> grief seed transition, why would he collect grief seeds? Additionally, why then are QBs not forcing the girls to contracts. They clearly don't respect human morals and values. For what reasons were the rules of contract put into place? No, I don't buy his rationalization at all. It's yet again part of his manipulation on Madoka. __________________

2011-03-03, 20:43	Link #77
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	Well...I'm certainly sad now. Kyoko, my favorite char of the show, sacrificed herself in vain trying to save Sayaka... Well atleast Kyoko and Sayaka died together... So apparently Kyubey is not from this world and apparently he and is race are trying to save the universe by harvesting the energy when MGs turn into witches...I'm sorry, but thats just bullshit. After all the things he's done, I can't accept that he's trying to save the universe, he must have a deeper motive. Homura's knows his plan, and she said she'll do whatever it takes to stop him, so it must not be to save the universe.

2011-03-03, 20:46	Link #78
Dark Wing Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Age: 38	It could be that they don't see a problem since there are already 6 billion + already with 10 born ever 4 seconds however there must be something beyond what he says there always is. Also i'd like to bring up that Kyuube didn't really lie to Kyoko he said he didn't know of a way of saving Sayaka so that wasn't really a lie. __________________

2011-03-03, 20:46	Link #79
taofd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	Now we know QB's motivation. We also know that it MAY or MAY not be possible for Mahou Shoujo to save Sayaka. As QB himself states, their powers are the exception to the law of entropy. The human soul (or a sentient being with emotion) produces what appears to be an infinite amount of energy. As QB states, "The existence of Mahou Shoujo itself is against reason / common sense". So far, we have seen one side of the coin. Mahou Shoujo that fall into grief become Witches... Is it possible the opposite is possible as well?

2011-03-03, 20:50	Link #80
ChronoReverse Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	QB can go **** itself and his race. If they're willing to sacrifice humans to get their energy then they can go sacrifice themselves instead so the energy could be left to the humans. At least the humans generate their own energy it seems. Parasites should go die.