(L+CR) My Teenage RomCom SNAFU (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru)

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Being a loner tends to be a big problem when you go past high school or university. However, I personally think that what sensei wanted to change is his mindset of being a loner but more of his pessimistic views toward the world and human society.

By being in the club, he's forced to interact with other people and help them. This, I think, will broaden his views of human society in long-term and change him later. Of course, he hasn't changed at all.. but at least, as a start, now he has more people to talk with.

Pretty much. He's still young yet he have such a pessimistic view. However that's fine but it's an issue if he gave up so early even though he still has many many years ahead of him. Hell, the teacher is 30(?) and is still not giving up on marrying (lol). Just because no one married her yet, is she just going to forget about everything and hide in a corner? That's one main thing that's different between Hachi and Yukino. Yukino is still fighting and even accepted Yui once Yui showed that she genuinely cared for Yukino. Hachi himself right away gave up and shot Yui down just because he had many bad experiences in the past. It's understandable but is it the best choice?

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

And what's wrong with being a loner? Must be a cultural thing. Every student must conform to a certain standard, is that it? Everyone's gotta "fit in."

Actively trying to be a loner is not good in any culture.

[AmeNoJaku]

Seriously... as if overlocalization is not enough, now official subs will employ Call of Duty terminology, because their desired target audience is too lazy or even incapable of reading a long title in their native language? Have gg-troll-subs been so influential among "professional" translators over there

[kaizerknight01]

loner/lonely= is yourself made prison/ or shackles

For Hachiman root cause or it seem to be rejection/embarrassing moments of the past which in his internal monolog he gotten used being mocked/ look down upon the he gotten used to it .. but doesn't mean he likes the his situation which he won't admit

as for the other characters they personal/trust issues of there own .

as for the teacher well shes attractive .... maybe she just waiting /looking for the type man that she likes

[Chaos2Frozen]

It's kinda immature to ask whats wrong with being a loner.

While everybody goes through that phase, its something that should be grown out of at some point.

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by Enternal

It's not the problem of him being a loner but how he view things and the future goals that he himself wanted showed that there are problems with him.

Yes, yes, I know that, but I was specifically responding to your comment:

If he wasn't in the club, he would continue to be the loner that he was always trying to avoid everything.

If he has such overwhelming psychological problems, he should be consulting a shrink, not another student who also has overwhelming psychological problems. But if that was the case, we wouldn't have this anime.

Now about the high-and-mighty attitude, is there a reason why she does not talk like that to Yui and other people EXCEPT Hachiman? That's an interesting thing.

Am I misinterpreting something here? Are you saying that the only person Yukino has a high-and-mighty attitude towards is Hachiman? What about Yukimo? Kawasaki? Especially Kawasaki.

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Actively trying to be a loner is not good in any culture.

Is this fact, fiction, sarcasm, or simply your own, personal opinion?

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

It's kinda immature to ask whats wrong with being a loner.

Another opinion.

While everybody goes through that phase, its something that should be grown out of at some point.

And another...

[Grey]

Real loners don't need to try to be loners--they do it naturally! Source: me.

I look forward to seeing more about what bothers Yukino and Hachiman. I like how they're not really changing at any notable speed. It would feel cheap if they did a quick fix.

Also, Yukino's so terrible to Hikigaya. And I have to wonder if Hikigaya would have turned Yui down even if she had invited him to study. It would be funny if that was the reason she didn't invite him.

[FredFriendly]

[mod edit: removed pointless retort]

Just because Hachiman is a loner now does not necessarily mean that he will always be a loner, even without the interactions of the Service Club. He is, after all, still young.

Some of the world's most famous and influential people have been loners, so that opinion is obviously not shared by all adults.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Just because Hachiman is a loner now does not necessarily mean that he will always be a loner, even without the interactions of the Service Club. He is, after all, still young.

Some of the world's most famous and influential people have been loners, so that opinion is obviously not shared by all adults.

Whats funny is you hidding behind those people as if they're your excuse; instead of relying on the accomplishments of others in the past long dead, try living in the real world and see how successful loners are.

The idea that Hachiman can improve on his own in the future is like a procrastinator assuring himself that there's always still time. Instead of betting on an uncertain future, the smart thing to do is to tackle the problem here and now.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Is this fact, fiction, sarcasm, or simply your own, personal opinion?

You know the answer.

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but your insults just make me laugh!

I wonder how you jumped from a simple statement into insults.

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Just because Hachiman is a loner now does not necessarily mean that he will always be a loner, even without the interactions of the Service Club. He is, after all, still young.

And who are we to talk about some distant future? Stick to the story.

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Some of the world's most famous and influential people have been loners, so that opinion is obviously not shared by all adults.

Difference: Those "loners" were able to strengthen their gifts through "loneliness". That isn't the case for the average person.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

And what's wrong with being a loner? Must be a cultural thing. Every student must conform to a certain standard, is that it? Everyone's gotta "fit in."

It's not being a loner that is much of a problem as it is that he is completely unproductive and doesn't care about his future at all.

Remember that this is the same guy who wrote about alpha wolf pack mentality and how he wanted to be a bear... in biology class. There's also the field trip form where he tries to justify making his house the field trip location by stating that he will not be working and will become a live at home husband instead.

On the other hand, we have Yukino who is so quick to pick a fight that she does cause problems.


You can't seriously think there's nothing wrong with these two. I understand your distaste for violent women, but that doesn't suddenly make who you believe to be the "victim" guilt free.

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Yes, he's getting something, but all benefits are not positive. He's constantly getting insulted and harassed by Yukino. A negative benefit, if there ever was one. Do tell, just how is this good for his psyche? If anything, it's just reinforcing his own anti-social attitudes, as well reinforcing Yukino's high-and-mighty attitude. And that's a positive benefit?

Yukino provokes Hachiman to retort and outdo her in their solutions. Even Yui comments about how heated Hachiman gets with Yukino to where they seem like they're in their own world.

For Yukino, Hachiman provides valuable insight on understanding people "inferior" to her. For someone so confrontational, Hachiman provides her with what she lacks the most: empathy.

[Ridwan]

Whoever jumps on to defend Hachiman better not age older then 17.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by Ridwan

Whoever jumps on to defend Hachiman better not age older then 17.

Some of our greatest minds in human history were loners.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Some of our greatest minds in human history were loners.

So very true. They are often times aloof with people.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Some of our greatest minds in human history were loners.

True. At the same time we can't assume that all loners have great minds. Albert Einstein dropped out of school. Charles Dickens dropped out of school. Same thing to many other famous and successful people in history. Can we automatic assume that all school dropouts will be successful and famous in the future? No.

EDIT: Also not all loners are created equal (dang, this sounds kind of funny).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Some of our greatest minds in human history were loners.

Not everyone is 0.001% of the population.

The reality is that most of them would lead hard lives.

[Sumeragi]

Problem here is that being a "loner" strengthened their gifts/abilities. What gift/ability is being strengthened in the base of Hikki?

[kaizerknight01]

we're threading on an off topic issue , lets wait for eps 6

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Problem here is that being a "loner" strengthened their gifts/abilities. What gift/ability is being strengthened in the base of Hikki?

His baseball/tennis skills

But there is more of that: He is lettered and knows lot of classical literature, skilled essayist and is excelent in semantics and is overaly excellent in academics. He also developed good observation skills. While it's isn't certain, if he were more involved with others he might not develope in these directions.

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but your insults just make me laugh!

Just because Hachiman is a loner now does not necessarily mean that he will always be a loner, even without the interactions of the Service Club. He is, after all, still young.

Some of the world's most famous and influential people have been loners, so that opinion is obviously not shared by all adults.

This isn't spoiler, it's Hachiman observation not voiced yet

Spoiler for About loners:

Rolles in society doesn't change so easily, even if one want he migh not be allowed by others. Loner will be always loner.

While I don't agree with him completely. Ties with others aren't created easily and if person doesn't learn it while he's young it become significantly more difficult later. Source: me

[Ridwan]

Those really don't excuse his general personality. Though the point of this show is about how he will grow out of it.