2010-07-09, 13:57 | Link #8081 |
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I mean eventhough South Park is mostly satire they pretty much are spot on, if you inject cash into your blood you too like Magic Johnson can live a relatively normal life. I mean with retroviral cocktails, it's been much easier to manage HIV virus from going into full blown AIDS and if you have seen Magic the dude looks good. Judging by the big push by big Pharma to create new revenue streams this like the malaria or tuberculosis cures will far out of the hands of the people who desperately need it.
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Also malaria and TB is not exactly a big money maker, the people most affect by these 2 diseases are poor people. You make money form a rich man disease not a poor man disease.
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2010-07-09, 14:32 | Link #8084 | |
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not because Big Pharm is holding out a cure to make more money.
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2010-07-09, 14:37 | Link #8085 |
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I'm pretty sure Big Pharma holds all the patents and patents on the derivatives of those drugs. Because of that only big pharma can produce them and if it's too expensive then big pharma doesn't unless some foundation pays an inflated cost for it. If you had a malaria producing plant south america it could be run infinitely more efficiently because you wouldn't have to pay for infrastructure to deliver and it would be mass production would marginalize the cost per vaccine. I think that's why I'm so vehemently opposed to copyright and intellectual property laws, because their meant to restrict those who are already at an economical disadvantage for something that should be common knowledge, like how salt is NaCl. This notion that information and facts can be "protected" and DNA sequences can be intellectual property just drives me nuts.
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2010-07-09, 15:15 | Link #8087 | |
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(Now that I think of it... health code, that's what. If you want to change the way you make your drug, you've got to file a whole new approval request from the FDA or whatever. It's not cheap, and it doesn't extend the length of your original patent.) |
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2010-07-09, 15:38 | Link #8088 | |
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2010-07-09, 16:30 | Link #8090 |
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Well they are not going to cure AIDS or Cancer, it would be a golden goose killer. Why should genetic code be patented? The DNA for my mitochondria are passed down my mothers and their ability to produce ATP is not the design of some conglomerate so of course it makes no sense for DNA to patentable. They are facts of being humans. You imply that FDA costs are not worthwhile when they in fact are not stringent enough, there was a heart medication that actually caused liver failure in the among a majority of the users yet it was prescribed to patients so I don't see the idea that cutting the FDA oversight will miraculously make drugs cheaper, in fact they will be more expensive because they can sell with the mark up and pocket the FDA fees, balloning their profit margins.
I really don't see how you can claim genomic code to be any form of patentable idea. It's not it's a fact that your third chromosome start uugutttccccgguuctuc... etc, it doesn't change, Big pharma didn't purposely breed people to obtain that so why should these FACTS be protected as some form of intellectual property. It's like saying Napoleon losing at Waterloo is a patentable, when it's a fact. It's like saying 2+2=4 is patentable. Also patents have exemptions and renewals, and note that once the patent runs out they just combine drugs with other drugs and then repatent the forumulas which cover the composites. Also government already finances the development in R&D for big pharma. It's what the NIH is for, they dole out money for big pharma to socialize the cost and reap the benefits at the cost of the consumer. |
2010-07-09, 17:30 | Link #8091 |
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And with that you've crossed into conspiracy nutter territory. Take a look around, get your bearings and step back over the line to rationality. For that to be the case it'd mean all pharmaceutical companies are conspiring to keep life saving drugs they could make them a huge profit on off the market. Do you honestly think that there are no companies that would benefit from such products? Putting something on the market that not only makes them money but also cuts into a competitor's pockets is something every corporation dreams of.
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2010-07-09, 18:52 | Link #8093 | |
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AIDS Virus that will/has already mutated form it original when it was first introduce into the human species and it will keep mutating so at best you can comeup with a cure for a certain strain of AIDS but will be useless against other strains. Cancer is the result of your body making bad copies of its cells. You can't cure something like, you can just make a drug to tell your body to not do something.
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2010-07-09, 19:25 | Link #8094 |
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I wouldn't go that far. More like they can't be cured by current methods or medical thinking. However as our knowledge of biology increases there is no guarantee we do not advance to a level of curing any disease. Now, I'm a pessimist about that possibility (occuring in our lifetime) but I don't think we should weigh it out.
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2010-07-09, 23:49 | Link #8095 |
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So in 1962, the U.S. gov't blew up a H-bomb in space.
Discover It, Then Blow It Up The plan was to send rockets hundreds of miles up, higher than the Earth's atmosphere, and then detonate nuclear weapons to see: a) If a bomb's radiation would make it harder to see what was up there (like incoming Russian missiles!); b) If an explosion would do any damage to objects nearby; c) If the Van Allen belts would move a blast down the bands to an earthly target (Moscow! for example); and — most peculiar — d) if a man-made explosion might "alter" the natural shape of the belts. The scientific basis for these proposals is not clear. Fleming is trying to figure out if Van Allen had any theoretical reason to suppose the military could use the Van Allen belts to attack a hostile nation. He supposes that at the height of the Cold War, the most pressing argument for a military experiment was, "if we don’t do it, the Russians will." And, indeed, the Russians did test atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs in space. In any case, says the science history professor, "this is the first occasion I've ever discovered where someone discovered something and immediately decided to blow it up." Code Name: Starfish Prime The Americans launched their first atomic nuclear tests above the Earth's atmosphere in 1958. Atom bombs had little effect on the magnetosphere, but the hydrogen bomb of July 9, 1962, did. Code-named "Starfish Prime" by the military, it literally created an artificial extension of the Van Allen belts that could be seen across the Pacific Ocean, from Hawaii to New Zealand. In Honolulu, the explosions were front page news. "N-Blast Tonight May Be Dazzling: Good View Likely," said the Honolulu Advertiser. Hotels held what they called "Rainbow Bomb Parties" on rooftops and verandas. When the bomb burst, people told of blackouts and strange electrical malfunctions, like garage doors opening and closing on their own. But the big show was in the sky. Link to the article - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128170775
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Yes, HIV mutates. No, it cannot mutate into infinite different forms. Most individual virus particles just grab whatever DNA it can on its way out of the infected cell. A very large proportion are unable to reproduce further because they grabbed the wrong genes, or detrimental mutations that reduce later generations' ability to infect a cell. There is only so much mutation that HIV can undergo before it becomes something that is not HIV, possibly something relatively benign or easily treatable. As for cancer, that is not the body making bad copies, it is specific cells making bad copies of cells. Research concentrates on making targeting those cells more precise to minimize destruction of healthy tissue, and whole-body poisoning like chemotherapy is something everybody is trying to move away from. Quote:
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Airport Closes After UFO Spotted In China
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Chinese Airline Shares Surge After UFO Sighting
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