2007-05-08, 23:29 | Link #141 | |
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The novel is the one released after season 1, retelling the Battle above the sea, and other bits and pieces |
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2007-05-08, 23:29 | Link #142 | |
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2007-05-08, 23:40 | Link #143 | |
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Well, as I said in my previous post, I'm sure she thought of it beforehand. The fact that she practiced it or not is something else. But if we take into account how the first season progresses, from the time Nanoha started using magic until she used Starlight Breaker, there wasnt much free time for Nanoha to train and practice new spells. The manga takes place after the events of the first season, too. Oops, even though I was the one who said that there is not much point discussing this, I still go at it. Sorry. |
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2007-05-08, 23:50 | Link #144 |
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Yeah, I don't think she got much practice during season 1 - it looked like 'on the job training' to me.
It's after s1 and before A's that she got the opportunity to get into a regular training schedule. Anyway - Starlight Breaker is a collection and bombardment type spell, but it is NOT a ceremonial spell, so no lengthy incantation is needed. I don't think the incantation on ceremonial spells can be skipped, no matter how experienced you are. Just as simple words (the name of the spell) are pass-phrases for normal spells, the lengthy arias are the pass-phrases for ceremonial spells (otherwise, I doubt they would have their own category). |
2007-05-09, 00:52 | Link #145 | |
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In other words, the girl has been extremely lucky that many of the elements required for spellcasting are compatible to her. It may very well be that the language of Magic is language of Imagination, something Nanoha has an abundance of . Her contemporary Fate was trained so that her single focus in spellcasting is to execute the spell as quickly as possible. The basic training is already in place unlike Nanoha, but much of her flexibility, strength and natural instinct sacrificed for the speed. Considering her mom [who was in R&D], it's possible that Fate's training regime would have include previously developed shortcuts in spellcasting with this in mind. The rate of error would have to be pretty high for the girl, but as we all know the discipline of getting perfection right was literally beaten into her >_< Fate's advantage in spellcasting comes from a highly disciplined mind and the incredible focus that come from it. Both girls are geniuses in their respective fields and in S3 we have Caro who is likely another sort of genuis. There is something in her proficency that allows her to influence the spells of other people, compress and tame a naturally fierce creature and create/command gigantic magical structures. I suspect it is the element of raw courage in a very young person, no one in their right mind will jump off a speeding bullet train voluntarily unless she is very confident in pulling off a miracle. In that instant, her error rate in assembling the summoning spell went from near total failure to certain success. It's probably what allowed the girl to catch that dragon in the first place. All subsequent failure to control I blame on the idiots who put the fear of abuse into her So no, incantation for summonings cannot be skipped. I mentioned before it's required to install control mechanism in the summoned creature. Like Caro's tanking spells, it needs to be specifically directed at a taget for it to work. I'm beginning to see what is so different between the MC and Velka systems now, in the shortcuts taken to execute the spell. A Velka knight specialises is close combat, long phrases are near impossible to execute in the mess of battle [they do have them as seen at then end of S2]. They are therefore more reliant on their use of artifacts to form the spell and cartridges to power them, their linker cores I suspect are used to augment their physical abilities or increase their defensive capacity. The MC system appear to be towards general use, thus the users are more numerous. In a fight, it's usually the numbers game that wins |
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2007-05-09, 01:14 | Link #147 | |
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@Burner of Anime Nanoha is definitely a genius, but it was thanks to Raising Heart and Yuuno that she was able to make a quick start. |
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2007-05-09, 01:41 | Link #148 | |
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1 Both RH and Nanoha's Circle turn into receivers to absorb the ambient energy. Nanoha will personally expand hers while RH produces it's own. 2 A command line is added to the circle to store the energy and the structure grows in size. Either Nanoha has this preprogrammed or RH adds this as the spell is put into "setup" mode 3 Expanding the transmitter to be able to fire her giant bolt of pink death Done during the setup stage. If that's the case, then all the spell would require is the trigger command to fire. |
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2007-05-09, 02:31 | Link #149 |
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Hmmmm... I just remembered.
Yuuno originally taught Nanoha to deploy Raging Heart with an incantation.. and he expected her to have to do it every time (back when he did not know she was leet). In one of the subsequenty battles (was it ep2?) with a jewel seed, Nanoha managed to deploy Raging Heart right away, with only a word or two.. much to Yuuno's surprise. |
2007-05-09, 02:57 | Link #150 |
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Probably because he thought that she was not able to form the Circle untrained. The Circle may have actually imprinted on to the girl from her initial link with Yuuno from the dreamscape. There probably was a lot of natural empathy towards it, that RH would have also attracted the one person most compatible to it's power. The more compatible to the artifact, the easier it is to use IMO.
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2007-05-09, 20:53 | Link #152 | |
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I look at the circle IMO, and it brings to mind an access gate to a place I'd call reality layer zero. A mage affects the reality they are in by manipulating aspects from a hyperspace layer, accessed by a dimensional gate. An incantation sends the intention to affect reality through changes of the mage's gate. An artifact can do the same using the mage's gate as well as a mathematical modal. The various magic systems and circle types probably arose from different civiliations using similar approaches but accessing and changing reality with different languages. |
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2007-05-09, 21:04 | Link #153 |
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I wasn't refering to a literal computer. When I was watching some stuff, I noticed in the bye-bye Reinforce scene, the magic circles resembled a computer network or chip. So I came to the idea that perhaps those magic circles have similar properties as a computer.
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2007-05-10, 06:03 | Link #154 | |
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Or is there another manga that I need to hunt down? |
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2007-05-10, 06:14 | Link #155 | |
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2007-05-10, 07:31 | Link #156 | |
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Granted, Raising Heart provided some of those, but I think the 'listen to your heart' talk Yuuno gave Nanoha may have more credit in the seemingly spontanious creation of Starlight Breaker then you are giving it. Especially considering Nanoha's schedule at that time was school-search for jewel seeds-sleep, there wasn't much time for actual training. |
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2007-05-10, 07:54 | Link #157 |
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Well, her "school" actually consisted more of "virtual combat training while looking attentive in class", and considering how many hours of the day she spends in school, she does have enough time for training, and that's not including the fact that she doesn't go to sleep right away, but uses her nights for more physical training.
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2007-05-10, 08:03 | Link #158 |
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We can't make any concrete judgements on what Nanoha did during those days, but one MUST bear in mind that we DID NOT get to see how Nanoha spend her days, nor how long it took for her to gather all those other Jewel Seeds (they more or less fast-forwarded it).
After all, if her outings with her friends are any indication, she DOES NOT spend 24/7 searching for the Jewel Seeds. On that line of thought, it is credible to believe that she and Yuuno allocated time to practise her spellcasting. We just don't get to see it. Cheers.
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2007-05-10, 08:07 | Link #160 | |
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She is hardly not doing anything else. There is no solid evidence to oppose that she and Yuuno spent time to practise her magic. Cheers.
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