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the author make it clear who's the strongest country here. |
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2014-03-17, 10:38 | Link #11902 |
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^ oh come on , let's not try to bring "that" topic here again, the strongest overall is the USNA, it's just that we don't see a lot of them, Lina is a greenhorn compared to Tatsuya. Again she is best suited for a being a frontliner, not very good at intelligence work
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2014-03-17, 12:00 | Link #11903 | |
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Years of warfare experience, means that you have years of experience in similar situations, which in turn means that you're prepared and you understand the optimal measures to take. Lu Gonghu was a magician as well. Even your stuff about Lu Gonghu to Ultraviolet is just inane and you don't really understand or address the problem. You don't need to explain why he's so worthless, the problem is that he is, when we're led to believe different. |
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2014-03-17, 12:58 | Link #11904 |
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^ I too do think that the fights in Yokohama should have been a lot of difficult for our students. But again, I feel we would be ignoring the context of the novel if we just bend our thought in just that one direction (I'm not trying to sugar-coat the series here or anything).
For example, the students did not go head on with the invading force, they weren't trying to eliminate the enemies, they were just defending themselves, clearing a way to escape. the Yokohama incident was not a full scale invasion but a distraction to steal magic data. Not to mention, they almost succeeded in taking hostages from the thesis competition with the students being helpless like puppies....if not for Tatsuya. Also, I think Guest2 and others are not just merely "justifying" the problem, they are explaining it
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2014-03-17, 14:12 | Link #11905 | |
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Saying that they are high schoolers and that Lu should have been prepared for all of the unexpected is ridiculous, since they have been stated not to be just 'high schoolers' and no one can be prepared for the unexpected in a world full of unqiue and closely guarded magic abilities. No soldier in the real world can be fully prepared for the unexpected, why asume a magic world would be different? Even Tatsuya fell to a sniper, just like any veteran could. I could understand if you actually said he he did not last long enough for a proper powerful antagonist. But why you believe the single label of one of the strongest close combat magi-soldiers means he should be able beat the special characters the author created who have been practising their magic for years and be able to somehow counter long range magical sniping, when his talent is stated to be only in CQC, is beyond me. Especially when powerful magician's are stated to be rare, so him actually previously encountering a powerful magician like Mayumi would have been very unlikely. What comparison you are using that makes your belief in such so strong, I cannot understand. Last edited by Guest2; 2014-03-17 at 14:27. |
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2014-03-17, 14:49 | Link #11906 |
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@ Guest2: I think your wrong on both cases, but I honestly can't be bothered to further explain on my posts since im basing my arguments from the novel and it holds no meaning if the person im debating/arguing agaisnt refuses to accept them and twists it around.
@ Riddam: I wouldn't bother, theres no convincing. |
2014-03-17, 15:29 | Link #11907 | |
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You're talking about suspension of disbelief, as if anyone who enjoys the series isn't automatically doing that. For me however some of the stuff that happened in the Yokohama arc was just too lopsided and uninspiring, when it had the potential to be more. No one can expect the unexpected, that why it's called that. What experience means here, is simply that the scope of what you can expect is much bigger. As a close quarter combat specialist the first thing you address is your vulnerability to ranged combat. And the fact that I'm calling them high schoolers here is just to refer that they're inexperienced and young regardless of their skill. Lu Gonghu is one of the best combatants in the Asian alliance and a S-rank operative, I'd warrant that should be enough. Mayumi isn't even the best in first high. And none of the other characters fighting him are really noteworthy, on a global or national scale. |
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2014-03-17, 15:31 | Link #11908 | ||
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2014-03-17, 15:33 | Link #11909 |
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@ Guest2: I believe the point they're trying to convey is not a denial of either the uniqueness of efficacy of magic in this world, but rather something that's been pointed out on several prior occasions: the author's style of exposition very much relies on describing something as seemingly impossible only to immediately follow that up with "zomg look they did what could not be done". In the specific example in question, it's essentially as if the heightened description of Lu Gonghu's prowess existed solely for the sake of making our main characters seem all the more amazing for having defeating him, and not for the sake of having made an antagonist who actually posed a threat.
I would say it's the author's tendency to write in this manner that provokes all the comments on nationalism; it's not anything outright so much as that he constantly portrays the rest of the world's elite as failing to attain to even the level of a bunch of high schoolers. That's not to say they're not anything special; if they weren't, we wouldn't be interested in them. That, however, is a far cry from saying that they stand unopposed in their world - a feeling that is strongly conveyed by the plot. Intentional or not, the idea that a few random high schoolers - Weeds, not Blooms, no less! - stand head and shoulders above the rest of the world's best and brightest is insulting, and thus constitutes the support for the aforementioned comments on nationalism. (Simply put, you could read the story as Japan saying: "Hey rest of the world, forget our real Magicians; even our kids could curbstomp you any time they feel like it!") |
2014-03-17, 15:56 | Link #11910 | |
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If the defense of Miyuki is an issue, just remember that at home, it's all Shiba/Yotsuba. So Miyuki was pretty darn safe. Quote:
But she didn't appreciate what she saw. She just sees Tatsuya as someone who was strange who she couldn't understand, and while she intellectually understood why Fumiya might idolize Tatsuya, she herself did not. My point wasn't that she only got information about Tatsuya via "report card," but that the way she describes him and what he can do is as though she got the information from a report card. As an indication of the "distance" between them. Pretty sure much of vol 8 was devoted to her going "Tatsuya is a strange tool I don't understand" and that she should do her best to REAAAALLY look down on him as is proper for a Yotsuba. Quote:
They'd ask Tatsuya, and because he who doesn't really get angry or irritated but knows he shouldn't cause problems, stand out in any spectacular way, or create enemies, just goes "ok." In his highschool years, Tatsuya isn't a gofer by nature, which we can see in how he tries not to take part in activities that would make him stand out. (student council, disciplinary committee) But once he's agreed to do something (usually because of Miyuki or peer pressure), he does his best. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single thing that he has outright refused to do when asked, so far in his highschool life. He's tried, but in the end.... IIRC, he ended up doing all the paperwork for the Disciplinary Committee, for both Mari and Kanon's terms (when he was a member) Last edited by Rasen; 2014-03-17 at 17:10. |
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2014-03-17, 20:48 | Link #11913 |
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I'd probably be a lot happier with the series if Tatsuya had a kryptonite. Some weakness that he must avoid at all costs. So far his only weakness is his sister and a tactical class little sister is more of a +. If there was some way for batman to fight superman in this series I guess. For instance the idea of cast jamming could be expanded on to say Tatsuya can't heal and can only use physical abilities while under its effect. This would occasionally put Tatsuya in a real pinch against non magicians. Well that's just one path but it's pretty clear that the only reason anyone has ever had a chance against Tatsuya is that he is under the effect of limiters and intentionally holding back in most cases.
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2014-03-17, 21:12 | Link #11914 | |
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2014-03-18, 01:01 | Link #11915 |
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hahahaha. I'm not even sure why this topic is going so strong. It's like they're upset over things that make up the foundation of this series in general. If this series was different or the characters weren't so OP it'd be like a completely different series rather than the one whose thread grows so many pages a day.
I really think the "power levels" or whatever need time to balance out over the course of the next few arcs and that's it. |
2014-03-18, 02:31 | Link #11916 | ||
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Masaki Tatsuya's restoration magic Masaki not reacting when Tatsuya got up Tatsuya seeing the opening and using it Btw, Masaki actually broke the rules here so he would have been disqualified anyway. Lina Tatsuya's restoration magic Lina being naive, and not going for the kill instantly when he refused to come in quietly Tatsuya using it to his advantage Im basically saying here, that all these factors played a part in his win. If just one of these didn't happen, any single one, he wouldn't win the way he did. All factors played an equal part. Anyways, im not going to expand on either subject anymore. I will keep my silence on the matter. Last edited by Ultraviolet X; 2014-03-18 at 05:34. Reason: Grammer corrections |
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is what they call it my friend#! Man I wish Tatsuya would make cool quotes when they were at war.... like: Give them Nothing but Take away from them Everything! Or Today we dine in hell! or Lu Gungho one of the Top Ten CQC magic specialist in the world... Ill put his name to the test. Only good quote he said is: Quote:
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2014-03-18, 03:41 | Link #11918 | ||
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Though I've said before, I agree Lu was only a plot device and nothing more, but maybe he's also a sort of lead in. He's one of the best, but he got taken out through teamwork of students from prestigious families more or less. This sets a standard for what the main cast is capable of. A sort of benchmark of comparison. From now on, the new baddies have to be badder than this guy. A good thing is, not every powerful magician is well known, obviously some of them are kept under wraps without much of a reputation. This is another standard that's already been set. Tatsuya himself is a great example of that. There's 50 SC Magicians but only around 13 are known and others are only speculated, this can be another good example. What if Lu Gonghu is considered one of the top 10 magic specialists that are publicized, and there's actually 100 more stronger than him that are practically unknown. 100 may be an exaggeration but hyperbole is about the point! The point is, the unbalanced power structure between the main cast and it's antagonists can be fixed. The author can easily introduce new people to knock them down a peg, he can easily introduce ways to make the cast even stronger. Every volume from admission to the vampire arc has been about wrapping our heads around exactly how powerful the cast is and what they're capable of. The standard has been set, we now know how high the bar is. Now there's a complete and thorough understanding of that. Now, that understanding can be tested, the standard can be broken by people setting the bar higher. Quote:
I feel like his line was pretty bad ass in it's own way. Tatsuya isn't a guy who brags. He states the obvious and disappears. Like Batman. I'm sure he'll say something witty at least once. |
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2014-03-18, 04:42 | Link #11919 | |
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2014-03-18, 04:45 | Link #11920 | |
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Is that even Tatsuya? cause.. That just isn't Tatsuya. It's the other guy I won't name to keep a spoiler in tact. I don't know why Miyuki has bearing in a ship that's not TatsXerika. If she cared, she'd be happy. Happy another bitch has stepped off her onii-sama. |
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