2010-01-09, 15:52 | Link #262 |
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no lol, Sheryl was so close to death there...had Ranka did not suddenly learn magic in ep 25 ...if fact, I thought Sheryl fans would like the ending just because Sheryl's sickness got magically cured at the end
Kidding aside, I really enjoyed the ending...awesome battles scenes, plenty of touching moment/action that makes my blood boil (hmm damn can't think of a better term XD), every one is ok at the end and a new start for every character...a solid ending I would think Now, the only loser is Micheal...he just has to die in order to fit the classic plot of a war drama
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2010-01-09, 17:09 | Link #263 |
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As I said some times before, Ranka conceding in the end would have helped her character immensely. As for Michael, they corrected their mistake in the movie. Although his death scene was very powerful and well written.
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2010-01-09, 17:13 | Link #264 |
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you and I will always have different opinion regrading to Ranka...so I will rather not discuss it again for the n times...getting too old to write long post ..
About micheal, I thought he might die "again" in the second movie, so we will have to wait and see
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It certainly would have managed to salvage Ranka as a character, since it would have showed that even the most immature and egoistic people can finally grow up. As it was, it was a terrible ending for Rankas character arc, since it left her almost as in the beginning. Just as self-centered, just not as shy. Not the best character evolution, if you ask me.
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And her issueing that challenge is another instance of being too self-centered to see what was happening right before her eyes.
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And considering that Sheryl and Alto are living together, and with Sheryl has met Alto's family, knows his friends, etc... Ranka trying to insert herself into that relationship, would make her akin to a home wrecker, and with her personality, and her brothers the chances of her being successful at that are slim to none. Also when you consider that Ranka's only reason for liking Alto is because "he looks like a princess" then it just puts her standing into perspective. |
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(...sadly to say, even though I love Ranka. I mean, it's totally okay to like her, but I get annoyed when people don't acknowledge her flaws and still think that she's a perfect little angel. I mean, Grace fanboys don't try to argue her evil intentions, Sheryl fanboys do admit that she was bitchy in the beginning, and Alto fangirls are always bashing him for being indecisive, no? So what's wrong with accepting that Ranka is a heavily-flawed character?) Even Michel called her out for being 'spoiled' in the Star Date episode. There, proof in front of your eyes... Well, they did fix her a little in the movie (from what I heard from happy Ranka fans), so there's hope for a better Ranka character development in the second one. Quote:
One adoptive brother = Ozma One biological brother = Brera One surrogate brother = Alto Her problem is that she's way too overprotected. Like a princess dreaming away in her tower, with loyal knights guarding her from below. That's one of the reasons why she's so immature really. When Ozma decided to let her go, she falls into the arms of Brera instead. If she wins Alto in the LT, it'll just be another transition to another protective 'brother', without her knowing how to deal with the world on her own. Last edited by KaoruLia; 2010-01-10 at 10:11. |
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Sheryl has a lot of flaws, and if there is one thing you can say about her fans, is that they don't ignore it, or pretend it doesn't exist. In fact there are usually the first people to acknowledge her flaws. Grace fanboys pretty much let you know that Grace is horrible person (we are starting to find out that she has her reasons, but still). Alto fangirls will point out Alto's negative aspects, in fact you can say that about all the character fanboys/girls except Ranka fangirls/boys. They have a habit of not only admitting to that character's flaws, but also pointing out others that you yourself may not have noticed. Ranka fans on a whole get incredibly defensive on on occasion somewhat delusional when it comes to her character. I think that was part of the reason why the whole "Ranka goggles" stigma was created. It really doesn't help that they (well the male fans anyway) try to justify it by her age, and quite frankly it just doesn't fly. Trust me I'm a woman and I've been sixteen before and believe me that no girl that I've ever met has behaved like that, but I've met fourteen and twelve year olds that have. Or that the only reason they give for liking her are She's so moe, or she's so cute, or she's so innocent...how can you not like her? Or when you make a good point many of them then will start playing victim, even they're the ones who start the discussion, and you're not insulting them. I think its also worth noting that many of Ranka's fans stop supporting her after realizing that she wasn't growing as a character. Quote:
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I once said that her and Sheryl had two opposite problems Sheryl had learn how to rely on people, and Ranka had to learn to be independent. And now that I'm re-watching the series I realize that Ranka has never done anything on her own. She's never made it with her own skill, all of it was luck, or the convenience of the plot. |
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I think this is similar to Minmay's case, where there are still Minmay fans around, but they don't defend her in the entirety because it's common knowledge that she was a bitch in SDFM (Yeah, who the hell can turn a blind eye to her actions??). They've probably given up on defending her, because they have resigned to the fact that there will always be Minmay hate as long as there are new fans into the franchise. I'm sure there are Ranka fans around, but they don't appear much because of the amount of hate she gets. I'm sure they're tired of constantly defending and debating Ranka's character everywhere. But I guess it can't be helped. It's part of the package of being a Ranka fan, sorry to say Quote:
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I actually like comparing Ranka to Minmei more seeing as though they have a little more in common. I think a lot of Alto fans actually do think about that, that's why the vast majority of them actually don't support Alto with Ranka. I remember that they were one of the first people to speak against Alto with Ranka. Ranka is really unsuited for Alto, though you could tell as much from looking at their star signs (Alto is a Leo, Sheryl is a Sagittarius, and Ranka is a Taurus, and apparently a Taurus and Leo are a horrible match, but a Sagittarius and a Leo are perfect for each other. Considering that anime character in general are always given significant birthdays, and corresponding star signs, this is probably not a fluke. What is interesting is that Alto really wasn't interested in Ranka like that, and the fact that he knew that she liked him and yet chose to ignore it attests to this fact ( you don't choose to ignore the fact that someone likes you when you like them back, unless you're not that interested in them.) Last edited by wisteria233; 2010-01-10 at 21:28. |
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2010-01-10, 19:57 | Link #276 |
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Probably because they want the fans to go see the movie, hoping to see the resolution of the Triangle.
There'll probably much less interest in the movie, if they've resolved at the end of the series. In short, a diabolical and effective way to milk more cash from the fans. |
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milk more money, huh?I guess everything boils down to that...Oh those heartless people!(haha,over-dramatic moment...) |
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I'll admit in the first episode (the deculture one with no OP), I neither liked Ranka or Sheryl but I thought Cathy was pretty awesome. I also thought she'd be Sheryl's rival, after watching Cathy put up with Sheryl's early arrogance, pulling her out from the stage and then escorting her to the limousine, etc. When I found out it was going to be Ranka, I was pretty surprised, I had only thought she would play the little sister role or something. XD
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Another very important aspect to that is that Altos character did evolve during the series. While in the beginning he was relying on Ranka to fill his need to be a "protector" and have a purpose, his evolution into a much more mature person than the constantly beligerent one he was at the beginning, saw him abandon that narrow focus for trying to be a guardian for everyone on Frontier, not only the people nearest to him. Quote:
Only that this approach has the danger of the creators dangling that carrot too long and the fans becoming bitter and angry.
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