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View Poll Results: Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 13 | 22.03% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 23.73% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 37.29% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 15.25% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.69% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-12-05, 14:27 | Link #121 |
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Well you could look at it from this point. If she really has the potential to leave a mark on history with the level of her art, then wasting her talents is practically insult to all the people who wish they could be that good at something. Yes, it's ultimately her decision and no one has a right to force her, but shirking it off is definitely a waste. People would die to have that sort of opportunity in life, but she instead uses her ability to be a mangaka, and not necessarily a great one.
If you have the chance to really make a mark of the world you live in, but you end up doing something that's not really special and a lot of other people can do, then I think as a person that is incredibly disappointing. She's free of course to make whatever decision she wants of course, however, there is no doubt that people around her could rightfully feel indignant. -------------- As for the episode itself... I am always quite boggled by how much of a struggle this series puts itself in. There's a good show with interesting themes and characters underneath a thick veil of cheap stock annoying harem tropes that is just struggling to get air. This truly could be a good series if they just toned down certain aspects.
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2012-12-05, 16:14 | Link #122 | |
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2012-12-05, 16:31 | Link #123 | ||
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Let's take some examples of what people think...
All of which if ignored might at least achieve something; and when applied achieve nothing. There is no such thing as a representation of a majority (this sock puppet everyone waves in their arguments), it's all just a collective thought, a collective idea. Have enough people make enough random noise and you can hear mumbling. It can be positive, as well as negative, and most often it's just very stupid, much like a generalization. Idol worship is among the top on the "none of us, is as stupid as all of us" category. In the case of the series, should Mashiro care for all these strangers who she likely never met and which from the perspective of the series have only contacted her though Rita? (going by Rita's words) I say Nay. She has plenty of people around her already that need her, people that she cares about, people that care about her. Like everyone she has the right to live, to live her own damn life, not be someone's foot stool just because some invisible majority of crybabies has aspiration of being part of some elitist circle of fools. Of all things it has to be mass produced masterpiece art on demand; do you think people that would want something as contrived and convenient as that even think of Mashiro as anything more then another tool? How convenient isn't it, the all-needy majority doesn't have to abide by this little one-sided rule of slave-by-popular-opinion. What might happen if they had to consider Mashiro's feelings too... but they can't speak, because the entire "majority" Mashiro is suppose to defend is nothing but hot air. Quote:
"Make a mark on history [and betray everyone close to you in the process.]" You would be fulfilling what? other people's "selfish" desired? How is that so much better...
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2012-12-05, 16:46 | Link #124 |
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Ever heard of no man is an island?
And you keep missing out an important factor- This is more than just about what a bunch of faceless art fans want; Mashiro's work has the potential to go down in history as one of the great names of art. Even if not for her own sake of fame, but for generations to come to study and be inspired by like all the great masters that came before her- You may not care about fine arts but apparently there are more than enough people in this world that does so yes this is a big deal to throw it away to become an average to decent mangaka.
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2012-12-05, 17:04 | Link #125 | |
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Now it's an extreme example of course since Shiina's art is never going to actually change the world in such a way, but the heart of the matter here is that someone has a gift to do something. People would die to have that gift. People around her will rightfully feel indignant. They would feel cheated by life here, and it's a very natural reaction. Would Shiina be doing anyone around her any favors by choosing to do art instead? Not particularly. So while no one has the right to force her, it definitely is a loss for humanity for such talent to go unused.
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2012-12-05, 17:06 | Link #126 |
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Lets put Shiina in a cage and force her to throw away her life and make her do somthing that she doesn't want. What she wants to do with her life and that it is her own doesn't matter at all because she is just a tool that exist to inspire people.
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2012-12-05, 17:17 | Link #127 | |||
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I can agree that many will think it's a "waste of talent", but I don't see how the historical signifance of her paintings will suddenly wane if she doesn't paint until the very end. If the paintings Shiina has already created are as great as they should be, then they should be recognized whether she makes new paintings or not. For example: Quote:
After his ... what, second retirement?... he came back to play on the Washington Wizards and was... not all that great. I don't think anyone think anyone considers Michael Jordan's performance with the Wizards as part of his legacy. Quote:
Suppose a girl had the body and talent to be the best in a less intellectually praised occupation, like a model. The woman has a voluptuous body with curves in all the right places and a face that looks attractive without makeup. Many agencies have tried scouting her, but she turns them down in the end because she doesn't want to be recognized that way and wants to go study physics at at a university, even if she was never at the top of her class or anything near that. If everyone she knew, from her friends to her professors kept telling her she should quit being a university scholar to become a model despite her choice to decline it, couldn't that be seen as offensive, even if it's not exactly wrong? or let's go even darker: a person has the natural talent to kill. The person is extremely nimble, aware of the human anatomy, and can defeat all his/her opponents with a few precise blows, almost like the person can literally see the end lined into other people's bodies (*ahem*). People around this person urge him to be an assassin, or an official secret like the CIA, and eliminate all the corrupt and evil tyrants and terrorists in the world. Can this person be upset if he does not want to use his natural ability to kill? The mere principle of being urged to pursue a career that they may be skilled but are not interested in at the moment can be just as upsetting as the an untalented person seeing a talented person not pursue what they are best at. The only reason why Sorata and Rita's suggestion doesn't (and rightly should not) offend many is because they are human with thought processes that can be followed. If another creature or thing made such a suggestion, like say... a certain magic hat telling Harry about his initial affinity for the Slytherin House, or a supercomputer system in a certain anime this season outright scaling every citizen's affinity, high or low, for every profession, people would be less inclined to agree. |
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2012-12-05, 17:31 | Link #128 | ||
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Since when was she in a cage? The very fact that she could go to Japan in the first place is proof enough of her freedom. And if you think inspiring a younger generation of potential artists is not an admirable work, well- that just goes to show how short sighted and narrow your thinking is. Quote:
Because A) Nobody likes a one-hit wonder, and B) This is definitely not the pinnacle of her skills- she would continue to improve and improve...
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2012-12-05, 17:41 | Link #129 | |||
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If anything, all the great masters worked against the system, against the "things other people thought as the only `masterpiece` that matter" or as the only "goal in life, that matters". If Mashiro stays (in peace) with those around her she cherishes she may just invent her own new form of art, or rather continue to develop her art form, since if there's anything all artists strive for is to have a little something they can call their own; not to hold the record as the best human-printingpress in history. You know all those world record holders? How many do you know their name? Can you even count them on your fingers? Greatness is not measured in what you do, but how you live your life. Ask an average person on the street what they know about the great masters and you'll here more trivia about them then things like what painting they painted, what music they made, or how many concerts they held. Quote:
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2012-12-05, 17:47 | Link #130 | |
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As I've just said above, how is she in a bird cage when she could go to not just another street, not just another city, not just another state, but another freaking COUNTRY on another freaking CONTINENT all by herself? Heck she certainly didn't seem like she was living in a shipping container for two weeks, nor was she a little light on luggage. And someone certainly had made preparations to pick her up. Were you the type of child that screamed "Oppression!" when people stopped you from going out with your friends?
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2012-12-05, 17:54 | Link #131 | |
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This may all be a "very natural reaction", but it's fundamentally unhealthy because it prevents people from doing the things they can do in the place where they are to make their world and The World a better place. Rather than focus on what's good for Mashiro, perhaps we should really be talking about what's good for Rita. Perhaps she should pull the plank out of her own eye first.
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2012-12-05, 17:55 | Link #132 | |
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B) This is a circular assumption based on her talent. |
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2012-12-05, 17:56 | Link #133 | |
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Mashiro didn't go from one world to another, she expanded her own limits. Did she ever say she hated painting, she hated England? The episode itself even made it a point to show she's still an artist by having her paint the room. Yet all of you preach how her living in a confined world is for the best, how she needs to be in "England" for her to be the pretty white birdy, because she can't possibly be that outside. Why did she leave? Because eventually the lie becomes truth and like a domesticated animal, (eventually) she would indeed not be able to live outside of her cage.
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2012-12-05, 17:56 | Link #134 |
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Yeah people are acting as if Shiina ran away from home or something and Rita is here to kidnap her
The girl needs a caretaker, so she couldn't have organized this whole trip to Japan by herself, so it's not like the people around her in england denied her the opportunity.
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2012-12-05, 18:04 | Link #135 | |
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B) This is a circular assumption based on her talent. Third, even assuming everything is true: that Mashiro should return to painting, and that no one would recognize her until she continues painting, why does it have to be now? Shiina never blatantly claimed she would never paint again, did she? Do what her parents do and respect her break. Even if you don't approve of it, at least let her continue for a bit so that there's a higher possibility that she'll come back on her own terms, instead of coming back to painting grudgingly, then burning out later. It's one thing if Shiina was a deadbeat child and didn't want to do anything like a real child. She has her own separate goals and is taking steps to realize them. |
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2012-12-05, 18:10 | Link #136 | ||
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Well not literally just one picture, but certainly one big public showing.
Had people truly thought that she was at her limit with no room for further improvements, nobody would care about her change in career. Quote:
True, but she never said that she would either. Had she said that to Rita we might be talking about different things right now. Quote:
She left because she wanted to learn about drawing manga, even when she got to Japan did you see her going "Ahhh freedoommmm! Independence!!!" ? No, she didn't care about those things, her world wasn't narrowed because of other people, she simply didn't care about anything that doesn't capture her interest. Even now this has barely changed. And why have you suddenly make this about going back to England ? I don't think anybody on my side of the argument have said about going back to England, all we said was going back to painting.
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2012-12-05, 18:20 | Link #137 | |
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Speaking of Rita,Shiina gave her a nice big welcome hug, so it's not like they were on bad terms over her decision when she left England,.
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2012-12-05, 18:28 | Link #138 | ||
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2012-12-05, 18:47 | Link #139 | ||
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Let's assume that she has no wish to do what people demand from her. And if those people who believe she is just tool to insipire others and she has no right to live her own life, than the only option for those people would be to put her in a cage and force her to do what they want, because there is chance that she will not accept their nonses and will escape. The freedom is at the moment lost when people like you force others to drop their dreams and their lifes and make them do what you want them to do. Quote:
I wonder who is short sighted and norrow thinking in this whole debate. After all, it's you who is going against fundamental human rights, against something that people have fighted for centuries and died for, and you have no problem with that, because you justify this with inspiring other people. Simple question. Is Shiina just a tool or a human being with rights, such as freedom to chose for herself what she does with her life? What do you believe. And talking around the bush is not allowed. Just a straight answer. Option A or option B. |
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2012-12-05, 18:49 | Link #140 | ||
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That being said however, why are you acting like there is a Sugou somewhere behind the scenes adjusting his glasses smugly? There isn't a villainous mastermind behind the scenes in this story. All this comes down to is which of her work is better suited in honing her talent. Quote:
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