Psycho-Pass 2 - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[Amarantine]

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

The two things S1 Ginoza had are nuance--he wasn't a hard-ass all the time--an exploration of why he was such a jerk. He was a person, with virtues and flaws, and he wasn't entirely unreasonable. His backstory made him sympathetic. If the show provided instances of Mika doing something besides trumpeting the importance of The Rules, and showed why she has so much faith in them, than she could do the same things she's doing now and not be nearly as annoying.

Exactly. Gino was a well-written stickler, who still came off as a human being in spite of his disagreeable role in the story. Mika, however, is compeltely devoid of any nuance or subtlety. Pretty much every single thing she says is to remind the audience of how much she antagonizes Akane and her ways. Her character is way too heavy-handed and one-dimensional, and I really hope she grows out of her schtick sooner rather than later, because she's really bringing this second season down for me.

[Jagger]

Gino x Division 2 lady. I ship it. Assuming she lives :X

[revive4563]

Thanks, Ryona-buchi. I hate this episode.

Why is Sibil system so opportunism?
After all, Sibil is a handy generator to make a plot of the story.
Now, I want to watch GITS SAC so bad.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by GDB

Good episode overall, though. Not liking how inspectors seem completely incapable of doing anything without the dominator though. I know that's kind of the point, but it is a huge chunk of metal. It can at least function as a bat to protect themselves.

Originally Posted by IceHism

My suggestion to whack people with dominators is becoming a better solution episode by episode.

...Or they use those really nifty Stun-Rods that were in S1 which plot has conveniently forgotten about now. But then again perhaps Sibyl doesn't care that much about the lives of it's employees.

[GDB]

I always assumed the stun-rods were things they had to explicitly take with them, and not part of their standard gear. Like the grenades.

[Iron Maw]

Yes they aren't for whatever strange reason, but given the peculiar nature of current cases you think they would be allowed. If just for the safety of personal. The situation with Risa wouldn't be as bad at least.

[HandofFate]

the robotic dog would have took her down just as hard and placed her in that position if she had a stunrod or not.

[Iron Maw]

That doesn't matter. There needs a be something for them use incase of an emergency even of won't always work like any similar real world profession. This is one of the most dangerous job they have and you can't predict what will happen as it's been bluntly shown multiple times now.

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 3:

I feel like that the more I watch this season, the more I realized that it seems hesitant at either focusing on characters deeply or just want to give a damn about the actual plot, I felt so confused.

Saiga playing an important role this season was interesting, he needs to carry on a lot and that would allow Akane to question about herself.

I didn't mind Mika's annoyment towards people she talks to, however I suggest her taking time to get over her hate of latent criminals and then focuses on something positive she's capable of.
By the time I watch the scene between Ginoza and Risa, I see something rather funny while discussing their feelings one after another: I see the former having a mechanical right arm like his dad and feels himself so much better while his gigantic pet dog was there, while the latter is mimicking Yusuke's Spirit Gun from Yu Yu Hakusho when she's mentionning about her conflicted sentiments towards an Enforcer she killed off last season.

I'm rather shocked at looking Tougane having the highest crime coefficient ever, or at least I thought it would apply to the Enforcers like him only. That plot point needs to be plainly focused as it goes on even though I'm rather unimpressed at the lacking episode count.

And about the continuous stream of events caused by Kirito, I really feel sorry for Mizue. Given the show's tendency of torturing the poor, poor female characters in a rather grotesque manner when they get taken, I wouldn't end up surprised if she dies. It really doesn't help that Risa got beaten up by an old man in the therapy care center whom I suspect him to be Kirito in disguise given the fact he had low crime coefficient.

So far, I admit it was an intriguing episode despite also showing strongly doubtful signs of it getting worse, I would rather not make my expectations too high only to end up rather disappointed in terms of sequels like I did with Infinite Stratos II and Date A Live II last time.

[J the Drafter]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

That doesn't matter. There needs a be something for them use incase of an emergency even of won't always work like any similar real world profession. This is one of the most dangerous job they have and you can't predict what will happen as it's been bluntly shown multiple times now.

I think the reasoning is that having a backup weapon in case the Dominator doesn't work would be tantamount to admitting that the Sibyl System doesn't always make accurate judgments. The brains don't want that because doubt in the System is the same thing as doubt in their personal authority. I suspect that Kasei has dismissed the helmets as a one-off incident that can't be repeated thanks to the countermeasures. Regardless of how any inspector or enforcers feel, Kasei's word is final.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

Those of us who recognize her from the Oso Academy Arc (or were clued in by blog posts or forum posts, like me) can infer that Mika is so hard on latent criminals because of Rikako, but the show itself hasn't cast any of Mika's thoughts or actions as though they're a result of Rikako and her crimes. I would assume that the Oso Academy murders and Ginoza will both play major parts in Mika's character arc (because it makes too much sense to not go that route, in my mind).

Oh God I can't believe I didn't see it sooner. She's that same girl who's friend disappeared and Yayoi was the one that comforted her.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Amarantine

Exactly. Gino was a well-written stickler, who still came off as a human being in spite of his disagreeable role in the story. Mika, however, is compeltely devoid of any nuance or subtlety. Pretty much every single thing she says is to remind the audience of how much she antagonizes Akane and her ways. Her character is way too heavy-handed and one-dimensional, and I really hope she grows out of her schtick sooner rather than later, because she's really bringing this second season down for me.

In my mind, Mika is simply trying too hard to stick to the system to keep her hue (and others) clear and she think that what Akane is doing is going to get her in trouble. She's going to end this season has an enforcer or manipulated by Sybil like an idiot at some point.

The most interesting part of this episode is that everyone was sure that Akane's hue should get worst, but it's not...except for Mister-Who-Topped-The-CC-Chart.

[Dengar]

I actually understand Mika's behavior perfectly. Today's episode proves it. She was about to vomit after only seeing the face of a guy with a reputation of making people's hues go bad.

She is absolutely terrified of her hue going bad. She projects this fear onto the people around her, which manifests as her disdain for Enforcers (whose hue has already gone bad) and people who think outside the box (whose actions might cause their hue to go bad).

Some people might think it's annoying, but being consistent does not make a character shallow.



I don't know if other people realised yet, but it seems the focus of this season is a critical flaw in people's thinking.

All of the guys who've been in contact with this "Kamui" fellow have one thing in common: They appear to think that having a clear hue simply means having the system take the correct measurement, which totally goes against he point of the psycho-pass. They completely ignore their actual mental health as they desperately look for an alternate means to get a clear hue. It's as if their mental health is irrelevant as long as they don't become a target for enforcement.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Some people might think it's annoying, but being consistent does not make a character shallow.

While true, if that's all she has as a character then she is indeed shallow. And so far, it's just that and her infatuation with Yayoi, so she's shallow. Doesn't mean she can't be fixed, though. They just need to, you know, give her some more characterization.

Originally Posted by Dengar

All of the guys who've been in contact with this "Kamui" fellow have one thing in common: They appear to think that having a clear hue simply means having the system take the correct measurement, which totally goes against he point of the psycho-pass. They completely ignore their actual mental health as they desperately look for an alternate means to get a clear hue. It's as if their mental health is irrelevant as long as they don't become a target for enforcement.

I like this synopsis.

[J the Drafter]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I actually understand Mika's behavior perfectly.

The problem isn't that Mika is too hard to understand. The problem is that she lays it on too thick. Almost every scene she's gotten has shown her reacting negatively to latent criminals. Contrast Ginoza, who had relatively few scenes actually showing him being disdainful of Enforcers. In the majority of his interactions with them, he was simply focused on the task at hand.

It doesn't help that the show hasn't yet deigned to explicitly show Mika's motivations, leaving us stuck with a character who merely acts unpleasantly.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I don't know if other people realised yet, but it seems the focus of this season is a critical flaw in people's thinking.

All of the guys who've been in contact with this "Kamui" fellow have one thing in common: They appear to think that having a clear hue simply means having the system take the correct measurement, which totally goes against he point of the psycho-pass. They completely ignore their actual mental health as they desperately look for an alternate means to get a clear hue. It's as if their mental health is irrelevant as long as they don't become a target for enforcement.

That's more an inherent problem of the system than a flaw in people's thinking. Syvil reads hue (whatever that means), and if it's clean, you're clean. The system doesn't really care about your mental health.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's more an inherent problem of the system than a flaw in people's thinking. Syvil reads hue (whatever that means), and if it's clean, you're clean. The system doesn't really care about your mental health.

Oh heeere we go. It's not a person's fault, it's "the system's" fault. *facepalms*

Well okay I'll humor you for half a second.

Whether or not the system "cares" or not isn't even the issue. If your hue is unclear, it means there is something wrong (please don't tell me there is nothing wrong with a mad bomber). If there's something wrong, something should be done about the problem. However, instead of fixing the problem, they attempt to hide the problem.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Oh heeere we go. It's not a person's fault, it's "the system's" fault.

I didn't say that. Both bear responsibility, but in a world where even your job is decided by the system, the system bears greater responsibility than the individual.

If your hue is unclear, it means there is something wrong (please don't tell me there is nothing wrong with a mad bomber). If there's something wrong, something should be done about the problem. However, instead of fixing the problem, they attempt to hide the problem.

Yeah, but what is the problem? The system is only interested in pointing fingers. It doesn't tell you exactly what is the problem, let alone how to fix it. For all they know just keeping your hue clear solves the problem just fine.

[Dengar]

A cloudy hue is a sign that a person needs help and getting that help is their own responsibility, rather than becoming a terrorist and then blaming the system for it.

[Kazu-kun]

You're missing the point.