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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 12 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 45 | 29.80% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 23.84% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 15.89% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 18 | 11.92% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 16 | 10.60% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 2.65% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.32% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 1.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 4 | 2.65% | |
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2010-12-20, 09:49 | Link #101 |
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I knew it wouldn't be that great anyways because it's not like this anime will have any real incest in it, it just dances around the idea. So I wasn't expecting anything interesting accept what happened really.
True end should be more exciting.
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2010-12-20, 09:57 | Link #103 | |
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Episode was kinda exagareting with "America trip" and what not. Kirno changed her attitude towards Kyousuke at last moment. Good thing she turned Dere at all considering the first few episodes. That little time of Kuroneko at end made my day. |
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2010-12-20, 09:58 | Link #104 |
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Loved the bit with Kuroneko at the end (as many others have already stated before me.) Also the amusing things that occurred when Kyousuke went to buy the midnight eroge was nice.
Anyways quite the average ep/end, glad the "good end" didn't end with incest. Now to wait for the true end episodes... |
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Interestingly, we don't hear what Kyousuke said to Saori for her to go into Kirino's level of involvement in the maid party for Kyousuke in Episode 11. Admittedly, I guess I just assumed that Saori went into that because Kyousuke questioned her on what could be causing Kirino to be acting so atypically nice all of a sudden (since that would fit with what came before in this episode). But it is possible it wasn't that at all, I'll admit. One thing that stood out to me during Kyousuke's phone conversation with Saori is that he was handling, and looking at, the eroge gift that Kirino gave him. Maybe in the context of his sister giving him a siscon eroge game, he feels a bit embarrassed at Saori's suggestions that it's "Natural for him to be concerned about Kirino"? In any event, I'll admit that this scene is the one that fits the "Kyousuke is tsundere" argument the best, but I just don't think it's enough in and of itself to warrant chalking everything up to the idea of him being a tsundere. Many of his actions and words elsewhere really don't strike me as all that tsundere. In fact, some come across to me as him being anything but. I think that other theories on him and his character can perhaps "fit the facts" a bit better than "Kyousuke is a tsundere" (all on its own, anyway). Now, just to be clear, I'm not against the idea of a male character being a tsundere. For example, I'm inclined to think that Kyon (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) is one. But Kyon earns that distinction by being an "unreliable narrator" and frequently very snarky to Haruhi and the SOS Brigade. I just don't see anywhere near that Kyon-level of tsundere behavior from Kyousuke. Kyousuke is nowhere near as snarky as Kyon, and the way he shows affection and caring is much more open (i.e. can you honestly imagine Kyon being moved to tears over Haruhi doing something nice for him?). Quote:
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2010-12-20, 11:21 | Link #111 |
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Seriousle, Kyousuke is a pseudo-human, has no pride, no selflove nor dignity. I heard Lelouch was a fragile boy but Kyousuke is made of glass to bleed that much after getting beat from a 1.50 m and 49kgs years old girl. I guess, indeed, he deserves the name of sandbag/punching bag. Kirino can be claimed the be most horrible character of the year; so, she doesn't wants to go to America and wants his sandbag to ask her to stay, did she asked? No. Just with delivering insults, punches, kicks, fatalities, etc, sure will work. Next: Kirino ask sandbag about some tips and the guy gets .... excited? Thats his life : pleasure of getting treated as lackey by a underage girl with a serious case of bipolarity. At least Vageena and Ruri are pretty aceptable characters. |
2010-12-20, 11:51 | Link #112 |
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Absolutely great episode, and a well done conclusion to the first season (there's no way there won't be a second season).
At the beginning, Kirino is very dere-dere, and Kyousuke is taken totally by surprise by this. She then asks him to get a new eroge for her at a midnight sale. There he meets his classmate Akagi, who is there for the midnight sale of a gay game. This throws off Kyousuke at first, until he is told that Akagi buys it for his little sister, who's a gay game fujoshi (Seriously, I never understood why so many other girls are into gay stuff, especially when it's with so gross guys like the ones here... Why can't they be good, decent yuri fans instead, like me? ) Kyousuke has problems accepting this at first, until he realises that he's doing just the same. He's just lucky that Kirino has a much more tasteful hobby with those imouto games, rather than some awful gay games. When he's back with the game, Kirino asks him to still play it with her for a bit, and they conclude a route, which sadly leads to a bad end. They play some more, until Kirino decides to show him a secret - she intended to go away, to America (why anyone would want to go there voluntarily is also completely beyond me Well, she's still young and doesn't know it any better.) I think that's the reason why she was so super-friendly to Kyousuke before, she wanted that Kyousuke keeps a good memory of her. She then wanted to play the eroge with him because she wanted to spend her last time before she goes away together with him. Kyousuke is angry that she only told him just now, and out of defiance tells her to go. The game then expresses exactly Kirino's feelings (if she realised them already before or only just now), that she wants him to ask her to stay, and she'll stay. Kyousuke though is too pigheaded for that and still tells her to go, which makes Kirino so mad she knocks him k.o. with a headbutt You can clearly see they're related here, as obstinate as they both are. Kyousuke then wakes up in the morning, goes down for breakfast - and to his surprise, Kirino is still there and tells him that she decided to stay. While Kyousuke is still to pigheaded to admit it, he is actually very happy about this, which you can also see in his smile on the way to school. After this, Kirino is back to her normal self again, although she's a bit gentler now to Kyousuke. In the ED, we can see some nice shots of Kuroneko in her neko outfit in front of the mirror. What I'd liked even more to see would've been Kirino, trying out her new neko outfit which Kuroneko just made for her in front of the mirror. Screenshots: Now what I would like to see for the "True" end: Kirino is actually a closet Yuri fan, but can't quite admit it to herself yet. That's why she plays imouto games, putting herself in the place of the big brother and thus being the target of the love and affection of the little sisters. At an occassion she's together with Kuroneko (perhaps trying out the new neko outfit), Kirino gets Kuroneko to call her "Onii-chan". Kirino finally confesses about her Yuri passion and makes out with Kuroneko Alternatively, she could confess her Yuri passion to Ayase, who already has shown Yuri tendencies when she was angry at Kyousuke taking Kirino away from her. Ayase then is more than happy about this, and they make out together It's the mouse that fell, and then accidentally clicked.
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2010-12-20, 12:15 | Link #113 | |
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I'm sure there is a second season. there wasn't any charter development here at all really. :/ we just got know the characters, not to much background either. |
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2010-12-20, 13:18 | Link #114 |
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Regarding the "Go. Do what you want!" statement. I think it's pretty clear from the way it's delivered that Kyouske is implying that "go" and "do what you want" are the same thing. He's basically saying "Clearly you want to go to America. Why would I stop you? I don't even like you." Earlier in the scene when Kirino says "Don't tell me you're going to tell me not to go now." she's obviously means "Please, tell me not to go!" but she's still not willing to be completely open with her feelings. Based on his experience in the previous episode and earlier in episode 12 I think Kyouske was in a position to guess at Kirino's true feelings and desires at this point, especially given the hint she dropped when they played the eroge just before this confrontation. When confronted with a choice between saying what he truly feels in response to what he thinks Kirino truly feels or denying his true feelings and reacting negatively to what Kirino is saying he decides not to be honest which seems to me to be tsundere-like behavior. To be honest, I was using a bit of hyperbole in my original post when I described Kyouske as "just as tsundere as Kirino." I'm not sure anybody can be that tsundere. The point is there are definitely tsundere elements in Kyouske's behavior. Also, Kyouske's smile at the end didn't imply to me that he's happy with Kirino's deredere behavior. At that point she seems to be back to being very tsuntsun towards him, but now instead of being hurt by how she appears to feel, Kyouske knows how she truly feels and his smile says to me "I'm glad things are back to normal. I know how to deal with this." more than anything.
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2010-12-20, 13:22 | Link #115 |
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Good way to wrap everything up with an original ending, but can't wait to see the the "true end". I feel that the whole ep was rushed, they packed a lot into it.
The sudden change in Kirino's behavior was surprising, but i guess it could be because she was leaving and just wanted to go out on a good note maybe? The scene with Kyousuke and Akagi was great, especially when the girls were clapping, at least he has someone to share in the pain. Very little Kuroneko, but the main thing was that she was going to call Kousuke something other than nii-san soon. The part of her dancing in the mirror was great as well. Did Saori and her know that Kirino was leaving? I think the album will come into play in the other eps, or it could be just that she was hiding her ticket in it. She sure knows how to beat somebody up, the game playing out their feelings was interesting, I guess that's what changed her mind. Her decision to not go was surprising because Kyousuke didn't do anything to stop her. the father being happy with her decision was nice. So Kyousuke was happy that the life counseling was not over.
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He doesn't want to play this tsundere game with her any more. If she's going to be like that, then yeah, he'd just as soon she go to America. His first choice, though, would be for her to be like the cute younger sister he's always (and literally) dreamt of. I'm disappointed that so many people are just totally discounting that rather telling 'cute sister' dream that Kyousuke had in the very first episode of this anime. It's disappointing because I think people are missing one of the main charms (if not the central thrust) of Ore no Imouto by doing so. That charm is that this anime is about the story of a young man who would like for his younger sister to be "cute" (i.e. nice and warm towards him), but who is seemingly stuck with a mean brat of a younger sister... but is he, really? The ending of this anime brings everything into a beautiful full circle where Kyousuke's dream of the cute younger sister looks like it might actually be realized, when he thought it was impossible. And by that seemingly impossibly dream being realized, a brother and sister have their sibling bond strengthened and renewed. It's a great story, don't you think? Do you see what I'm saying, DasDingus? Don't you think that it's at least possible that my interpretation here is correct? Quote:
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I mean, really? After all that he's said against her being like that, and standing up to her in some of the occasions when she's like that? When was Kyousuke the nicest to Kirino, and the most at ease being physically close to her? Was it not right after she apologized and thanked him in Episode 11? Kyousuke would clearly prefer a less tsuntsun Kirino. He would be quite comfortable with a deredere Kirino. In fact, that is what he wants, I think. He's happy at the end of Episode 12 because he now knows how she really feels about him, given her decision not to go to America. That, and he also knows that her recent kinder and nicer behavior towards him is for real.
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2010-12-20, 14:13 | Link #118 |
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Hmmm, looks like we'll have to wait for the extra episodes for the MORE INTERESTING END but this is a good way to close out the broadcast series. We did get some nice foreshadowing from Kuroneko (rofl). Only complaint was that Kirino's plans seem to come completely out of the blue sky with little build up.
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2010-12-20, 14:47 | Link #119 | ||
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Well, I know such things exist, but I also don't know that they're called by that particular name until today...I thought the term 'BL' and 'yaoi' already covers pretty much the catch-all name for everything gay. I wonder...seeing as homo, while usually used for guys, simply means the same (sex), it also applies to yuri as well. I wonder if yuri games (rare as it is) is also under the same name?
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I think a good comparison is how Kirino acts with eroge: I think Kyousuke is fine with Kirino being an otaku, but her playing eroge of little sisters still bothers him. And yet, he knows that it really makes her happy. Thus, because she really does as a good big brother and because he care about his sister, he tolerates it as long as she doesn't go too far (asking him to be scapegoat for her otaku hobbies, for instance). So, even if Kyousuke wants a demure little sister he knows that Kirino isn't like that, and he doesn't want to force Kirino to be something she's not. Kirino may be tsun, but that's who she is, and as long as she doesn't go too far, he's fine with that (although his aforementioned extra patience and tolerance will make it a bit strange with most poeple).
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Is it really a more general classification that includes gay games and lesbian games, or is it reserved for gay games only? Anyone have more info on that?
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