2012-06-14, 10:00 | Link #9421 | |
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Also, how exactly Devil Style should have prevented that? If anything Devil Style didn't allow the Student Council to defeat the suitor by fate or luck. Kumagawa has nothing to do with that, if a person happens to be there, eventually will step forward when things start to look grim. |
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2012-06-14, 10:08 | Link #9422 | |
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Narratively it's not difficult to explain a lot of things retrospectively, with a mediocum of intelligience and creatively, it's the likelihood of those series of events conspiring to occur that all alligned in one specific way and at one specific time, of which such an occurance happening is very unlikely.
Why was Kumagawa of all jokers left there, why was he still there at that time, why did none of the student council see him. It's not difficult to answer these questions if your given free reign of creativity it's the likelihood of whatever you come up with actually happening in comparison to the dozens of other solutions. There's a natural progression of events where certain situations benefit some people and others don't, and then there's a long line of coincidences alligning to bring about a certain event. Ass pulls fall into the later. Quote:
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2012-06-14, 10:14 | Link #9423 | |
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What sort of imaginary "circumstances" are you conjuring up for Kumagawa not to be there? No suggestion has been made yet that the Jokers are in anyway held up or incapacitated. In "real life" the Jokers would probably be watching over the activities of the Suitors. By extension its reasonable for them to realize Zen's group is in pursuit. If there was a probability that Kumagawa was anywhere at all, then around Zen's group is actually one of the most likely "realistic" possibilities. |
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2012-06-14, 10:15 | Link #9424 |
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Then just wait till next week yo get answers.
But about the later, if we go by that same logic, DS should have avoided Medaka stopping Najimi from killing herself too. No, it's not that. Fate has little to do with Kumagawa getting in the way. What matters is, he was there, we don't know for which reason, but he's in that place. In addition, while all this was happening, Zenkichi and his companions were waging an aerial battle. Devil Style doesn't affect those who aren't around him and thus explains why Kumagawa is there. Also, if you saw one of your loved ones was on the verge of death, wouldn't you step forward and trie to save the life of that person? I would. DS has nothing to do with what happened during the last pages of the chapter. That's all. I won't bother talking about the issue anymore. |
2012-06-14, 10:19 | Link #9425 |
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It could be likely that Jokers weren't really captured or put in cell. They probably didn't feel to tag along when the Jet Black Wedding moved to next place in such a hurry.
We probably could see Hanten, Hansode and Ajimu around too in the next chapter. It could be that those 3 were unlikely to step in to see save Emukae so we didn't see them this chapter.
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2012-06-14, 10:25 | Link #9428 | ||
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It's not about Kumagawa seeing Emukae and helping her, it's about why Kumagawa was the only one left behind stayed around the base for a good week and was conviently not seen by the student council when they searched around but then got their just in the nick of time to prevent Emukae from dying in a dramatic fashion in front of everyone (he didn't even save her long after the battle was over with her body moved somewhere else or left there, it was during the battle). Sure you could make up some random ass reason that may even make sense to some degree, it doesn't make such an occurence likely. Just because it's possibe for me to roll a 1 10 times in a row doesn't mean there's a remotely decent chance I will. Quote:
Just because it's possible to roll 5, 10 times in a row doesn't mean the chance of that happening isn't ridculously small. The mere fact Nisio would have to use a long line of coincidences to explain this is what makes it an ass pull, which is ironically what devil style was supposed to prevent. |
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2012-06-14, 10:33 | Link #9429 | |
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But that's meaningless. Look, just wait till next week, kai? Because if you really think Nisio who plans ahead doesn't already know the reasons for why Kumagawa was left behind... Boy, this is such a pain, why is so easy for people to jump the bandwagon. |
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2012-06-14, 10:34 | Link #9430 | |
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2012-06-14, 10:38 | Link #9431 | ||
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Anyone can make up reason for Kumagawa being left behind. I have several they're just unlikely. There's at least 5 consideneces that must allign for Kumagawa to be there at that point in time to make that event occur. So many coincidences alligning is simply very unlikely. |
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2012-06-14, 10:45 | Link #9434 |
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We don't know how long he was there's anything from a week to a few hours THAT'S THE POINT. It's another coincidence in a long line that just so happened to allow Kumagawa to achieve this event. You just don't seem to get that several coincidences HAD to allign to cause this event to happen such a thing occuring is by probabilties very definition unlikely.
The irony in all this is that Nisio created an in story plot device to prevent precisely this from happening. |
2012-06-14, 10:51 | Link #9435 |
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The suitors were holed up at the base till just a couple hours ago doing their Wedding Feast thing. We know the Jokers' absence has some connection to the Suitors. How the fuck is Kumagawa being around the base a "coincidence"? Where the hell else would he be?
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2012-06-14, 10:52 | Link #9436 |
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Not a coincidence but a logical progression of the events. Think about it a little, the bunny girl told Medaka Zen was coming there, so what do you think she would do in that case? If I were her, I would dispatch someone in order to make sure no one will get in their way.
Kumagawa is most likely there by direct request of Medaka, nothing more and nothing less. And against that Devil Style can't do shit. It would be fate if Medaka didn't know about the Student Council moving there and told Kumagawa to stay behind even without that info, but since she was told... |
2012-06-14, 10:57 | Link #9437 | ||
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We don't know if Medaka even had contact with kumagawa, nor how long they were there and when they found out. Kumagawa could have easily left that place any time he wanted. So why did he hang around, and why did he hang around where noone would see him and yet made it in time to stop the student council from being defeated. Your making an assumption which is in itself a coincidence. Logically you wouldn't want Medaka talking to Kumagawa or anyone else for that matter. So your basically assuming the suitors were incompetant. Another fortunate coincidence. |
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2012-06-14, 11:04 | Link #9439 | |
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If the Suitors were blatantly changing location due to pursuers approaching, why the fuck wouldn't the Jokers leave someone behind to observe or watch over them? If he was around the base, how the hell could Kumagawa not notice Zenkichi's group, or decide not to follow them? Jesus christ. |
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