Infinite Stratos Character Creation and Fanfiction Discussion

[Eratas123]

They're not named. They're just random students. Please don't make the battle too long and don't forget that he has to lose or else the story ends.

[Eratas123]

@ Zero- How much interference can a shield take before temporarily jamming? Need this for Irish's and Maximillians segment.

[HasuMasu]

Originally Posted by Eratas123

@Detective- So you're a ladies man eh? I guess that explains it.

Maybe, but it's more likely to be the insane amount of ninja-ing.

I hold <Ren> entirely responsible.

[ZeroXSEED]

Hoo hah

[Eratas123]

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Hoo hah

How many units are in IS academy? Don't wanna go over the limit here.

[ZeroXSEED]

I guess it's around 30-40s, considering about 20+ Uchigane can be seen in the field most of the time and there's AT THE LEAST 5 Raphael used by Instructors (one by Yamada, the Four was often seen doing their job being useless, both in first Golem attack and Gospel rampage) and 3 Raphael that Students used for training in V2.

[MeisterBabylon]

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

SO it's really Rau Le Creuset vs Mwu La Flaga??

Ange: The disguise is so transparent, she doesn't need a mask!

Riz: 'cuse me.

Originally Posted by Eratas123

Sounds like a barrel of laughs I hope she can stay sane staying in the same room as Karon and Amnesiac!Irish.

Spoiler for Her reaction:

Riz tried to come up with something, saw the adorable spectacle before her.

She eventually gave up, and just tucked the two snoozing children in.

"Just like cats..."

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Except that the design STILL makes no sense whatsoever, being bottom heavy and all.

(Add the fact as Eratas said, it was rule of Sexy, hell, it was said as DEFENSE TYPE, yet the top is showing the glorious boobs, even Blue Tears is better in that department and they still ad Black-colored protection cloth in it)

They are best at hovering, that's how they were built. But doesn't preclude them from flying in my books.

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Hence why I create the distinct type of Hover Optimized

JETSUTSUREEMUATTAKU!

Originally Posted by wavehawk

Ichika: "They can't be serious...right?"

Charu: "Saa..." (Shrugs)

Uchigane Girl #1: "We'll get him this time!"

Uchigane Girl #2: "Nobody mocks us, the Tri-Stars!"

Uchigane Girl #3: "Let's go!"

All 3 Uchigane Girls: "JET STREAM ATTACK!!!"

Ichika: (Sidesteps, the Uchigane girls crash into a wall again)

Houki: "...those idiots are making m feel ill."

Riz lands beside the pile of Uchigane.

Uchigane Girl #2 looked up and groaned, "What are you doing here, Riz?"

"I came to laugh at you," Shiyi said while admiring the crater they managed to put into the dura-titanium concrete wall. "And call me Riselle!"




~~~Meister Babylon's SOAPBOX MOMENT~~~

You guys probably can tell by now that I am biased towards the MPIS and non-canon girls and characters. Call it Playing Against The Stereotype, but as one talented pilot once said, "a superior unit has its limits when it comes up against a superior pilot!"

This is why you see in my work where 1 ace fighter pilot took down 3 low-rank IS, and ace MPIS routinely take down Personals when they pick ill-advised fights.

The Uchigane is a rather poorly designed IS, I'm not dodging that fact. It is however much more capable than a lot of other things out there, and its defenses render it relatively immune to non-IS Munchers. Built for close-combat, the Uchigane ironically excels at mid-ranged combat, where its armor (and fanonically, the directional shield facing) protecting it from attacks weakened by range, and its very stability allowing the pilot to use heavy weapons with even less recoil. As an MPIS, it is easy to maintain, cheap to build, and has a range of Equalizers to choose from. All this further improves how deadly an Uchigane can be when customized and utilized properly. Most enemies will survive the assault weapon fire from an Uchigane, but then it has a vibro-katana for finishing off the weakened foe.

But if you just grab the machine off the shelf and charge in swords drawn, you'd just crash and burn before you even get into range. So it takes a certain kind of piloting style to make it work...

...which is the case for Riselle and the Senshiki, an Uchigane with an impressive score when the only discernible difference between it and other Uchigane, is the foil gold paint. Riz's Muncher and Special Issue Ammunition? Well that's all Equalizer stuff, I'm talking about the suit here.

Soapbox over.

[ZeroXSEED]

I take a healthy dose of diazepam when I read that soapbox. Then again, Yamada is an MPIS user.

Uchigane not necessarily portrayed as bad, In Canon, it was very popular unit.

Spoiler for My Soapbox:

in my fic, it was described as THE easiest I.S. to use, both by professional and Amateur, and number 1 most produced I.S. in the world. It ditched mobility for increased defense (Deployable floating Shoulder shield + Skirt Armor) and stability (bottom-heavy design optimized for hovering).

In fact, for some reason MP unit > Personal unit (yes, you read that right). because most Personal I.S. is used as testbed platform for new technologies and chock full of flaws. For example, having two person with well-balanced skilll, Uchigane w/ some additional equalizer > Kurogane (because Kurogane is much less stable, even though it's much faster).

Madoka (and to extension, Chifuyu), has incredible sense of stability to compensate with this weakness and utilizing it's insane speed. Madoka + Uchigane is redundant beyond belief because the slow speed of Uchigane hinders her.

In paper, Char's custom Rafale is the best (Scoring 3.5-4.5 out of 5, in all categories).

[Eratas123]

@ Zero-Rafael Revive is best in my opinion considering the fact that it's the most versatile unit of them all.

@ Meister-MPIS can beat personal IS pilots but they're beaten by the badass normals Irish and Maximillian for example are smart enough to use their weakness of electricity and hack them if necessary.

[ZeroXSEED]

Originally Posted by Eratas123

@ Zero-Rafael Revive is best in my opinion considering the fact that it's the most versatile unit of them all.

The best in overall sense, but if an user of Personal I.S. can maximize it's superiority and compensate it's weakness/flaws, Personal I.S. can still triumph.

Originally Posted by Eratas123

@ Meister-MPIS can beat personal IS pilots but they're beaten by the badass normals Irish and Maximillian for example are smart enough to use their weakness of electricity and hack them if necessary.

Indeed, because Personal I.S. is full of flaws, thus easier to exploit by superior enemy pilot with well balanced machine.

[Eratas123]

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

The best in overall sense, but if an user of Personal I.S. can maximize it's superiority and compensate it's weakness/flaws, Personal I.S. can still triumph.



Indeed, because Personal I.S. is full of flaws, thus easier to exploit by superior enemy pilot.

I was talking about Charlottes Rafael Revive Mk.II since in a real fight it would be the most valuabale considering the arsenal it has.

Superior enemy pilots? Is Maximillian a pilot then? I thought he was a teacher only.

@Detective-I just read your review How severe are my typos?

[ZeroXSEED]

Originally Posted by Eratas123

I was talking about Charlottes Rafael Revive Mk.II since in a real fight it would be the most valuabale considering the arsenal it has.

Superior enemy pilots? Is Maximillian a pilot then? I thought he was a teacher only.

Spoiler for Rants:

No, I was talking about Meister's bias (as part of my own Suspension of disbelief, because by the time I refuse to accept meister's OCs and act like a smartass, I also have to reject Tatenashi's VERY EXISTENCE).

Think about this

Blue Tears has multiple weapon with incredible coverage range
Result: Ichika exploited Cecilia's showoff nature & Blue Tears' sniping-optimized frame.

ByakuShiki has one-hit kill attack
Result: Char exploited Ichika's straightforward nature and ByakuShiki's lack of ranged weapon.

Shenlong's Dragon Cannon is devastating & can cover 360 degrees.
Result: Ichika exploited Rin's easy-to-read maneuvers and ShenLong's low mobility.

Notice the pattern? yeah, Personal I.S. ALSO had flawed pilot, but at the same time, the Protagonists is badass enough when they're able to maximize their special skill and covering their weakness, BY WORKING TOGETHER.

An Ace with superior unit/ skill is nothing if s/he was chased by a squadron of fighters that can use their limited skill well and has good teamwork.

[MeisterBabylon]

Max isn't a pilot, he's a tactical forecaster.

But yes, give any of my chosen 5 heroines and their maintenance crews a personal unit, let them keep their usual level of teamwork, they'd be fucking unstoppable...

...(like in the final arc of Karon's adventures... where I literally threw all sense of common and balance out the window for space combat hi-jinks)



So yeah, the MPIS is actually a hidden nerf on my part to keep them on the same level as the rest of the cast...

And yes, I know I made my characters Sues. It was actually my attempt to replace the shallow girls of canon with people I'd like to watch using the technology that the author created. I didn't care about whether it sat well with the audience, I merely entertained myself.

Hence, my writing style usually puts people off, so I understand where you are coming from. Sorry about this, Zero.

[ZeroXSEED]

You still had that impression that Personal I.S. is 3 times better than MPIS?

Anyway, I'm out of cash to pay internet cafe, see ya.

[MeisterBabylon]

Its not an impression, it was stated by the author, which I seriously feel is an oversight on his behalf. Yeah sure, you want a reason to send 5 idiots into battle with a berserk unit... It only shows that you didn’t think about the whole thing before writing!!

Even without that, I'm sending 1 3G and 4 2G MPIS units again 3G, even 4G villains and opponents with personal units. The generations alone dictate a different in power levels so a fight will always be a challenge. It is by using Battlestar Galactica reasonable scifi and balanced characters that I can push 2G and their 'old' solid slugger weapons to challenge the inefficient 3Gs and woefully piloted 4Gs.

(This is why I prefer the Rafale's design, and the Schwarz' railgun. The railgun to me is the greatest weapon of them all, a solid slug fired from a platform with enough power to make it work. Beams r koolzors, but impractical. There's better ways to apply that... like a Railgun.)

Hence I based my entire crusade against the wrongs of IS canon around all the flaws in direction, looking for and using every single loop hole I can find and ultimately using the 'worse' units to kick the asses of the 'best' using skill, choreography and teamwork.

I don't use much common sense, however, considering I'm so drugged up I don't really have any.


*snuggles Schwarz-type IS*

[Eratas123]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Max isn't a pilot, he's a tactical forecaster.

But yes, give any of my chosen 5 heroines and their maintenance crews a personal unit, let them keep their usual level of teamwork, they'd be fucking unstoppable...

...(like in the final arc of Karon's adventures... where I literally threw all sense of common and balance out the window for space combat hi-jinks)



So yeah, the MPIS is actually a hidden nerf on my part to keep them on the same level as the rest of the cast...

And yes, I know I made my characters Sues. It was actually my attempt to replace the shallow girls of canon with people I'd like to watch using the technology that the author created. I didn't care about whether it sat well with the audience, I merely entertained myself.

Hence, my writing style usually puts people off, so I understand where you are coming from. Sorry about this, Zero.

Um, How strong are they compared to the male OC's? None of them are Pilots (Except Inami) and they fight unpredictably.

Here's a list:

Kyuukai: Fights using Anti-IS weaponry and cannot be Mind-read

Octans: Engineer who's ridiculously fast.

Irish: Uses Agility and conventional weaponry to fight, cannot be Mind-read

Inami: Armored suit pilot.

[DarkJak2050]

Uhh guys. I know this may come out of nowhere but...

How's the pacing to Project Silverback? Is it going too slow, too fast? Is it being dragged or rushed?

[wavehawk]

@Jak: I feel it's a bit...clunky. I can't explain fully, but that's how it feels at the moment. Parts of it feel like a summary more than a story, and I'm having trouble absorbing the way the story goes.

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

you want a reason to send 5 idiots into battle with a berserk unit...

Author: "The winner gets cake!"

[MeisterBabylon]

My take on IS vs normals: take them head-on, you’re being an idiot. Either avoid them (Octans), or go in a roundabout fashion (Irish). The best is to get IS to fight for you (Maximillan.) If you must fight yourself, expect it to cost you. But you can win if you bring enough bodies (Kajie and SQN515).

Same principle when MPIS go against Personals, or different generations battle head-on. If pilot skill is equal both sides, bring enough bodies cos you’re gonna lose a few in the fight no matter what you do (Villain VS Shooting Star). If there's terrain, use it! (Maximillan) If you can make the enemy fight at your terms, do so! (Maximillan) Memorize the Sun Zi Art of War, it helps (Maximillan). Set traps (Riz), make ambushes (Tio), play dirty (Riz), use your strengths (Erika and Celeste) and work with your teammates (Karon). Don't forget your IS are sentient too (Vandam Imouto), sometimes they may do that little something which can make or break a match (RaionRobo GATTAI!)

But if pilot skill is not equal, you can have a one-sided affair, or a pilot completely wasting her advantage (any OC against any CC really, since we all designed them with adequate brains.)

Which is really annoying with IS as a setting. Any characters we design with reasonable skill and talent become Sues because given the same equipment as canon they would proceed to wtfstomp the CCs.

Well, except Tatenashi. Then again, she's the only CC I respect. Madoka just has a ridiculously teched-up unit with an overused character setting.


(My favorite workaround is having the students watch ISPL matches. With 2 graduates in Personal IS with properly tuned competitive technology, the skies the limit!)

[Eratas123]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

My take on IS vs normals: take them head-on, you’re being an idiot. Either avoid them (Octans), or go in a roundabout fashion (Irish). The best is to get IS to fight for you (Maximillan.) If you must fight yourself, expect it to cost you. But you can win if you bring enough bodies (Kajie and SQN515).

Same principle when MPIS go against Personals, or different generations battle head-on. If pilot skill is equal both sides, bring enough bodies cos you’re gonna lose a few in the fight no matter what you do (Villain VS Shooting Star). But if pilot skill is not equal, you can have a one-sided affair, or a pilot completely wasting her advantage (any OC against any CC really, since we all designed them with adequate brains.)

Which is really annoying with IS as a setting. Any characters we design with reasonable skill and talent become Sues because given the same equipment as canon they would proceed to wtfstomp the CCs.

Well, except Tatenashi. Then again, she's the only CC I respect. Madoka just has a ridiculously teched-up unit with an overused character setting.


(My favorite workaround is having the students watch ISPL matches. With 2 graduates in Personal IS with properly tuned competitive technology, the skies the limit!)

None of the male OC's (Except Kyuukai) fight the IS head on, This was shown in the draft where Irish lured Karon under the power station and even took Erika hostage. He didn't fight any unitw head on and chose to be pragmatic about it.

The CC's weakness can be justified by the fact that the machines they're using are supposed to be glorified sports uniforms. Tatenashi, on the other hand, is part of a "secret organization" and was given actual training. Laura has no excuse though.

One of The Five ISpers greatest advantage stems from the fact that they can "understand" their units and read minds. This makes opponents that can neutralize either extremely dangerous.

Even without these they are extremely dangerous and can probably take out most experts, especially with someonelike Maximillian doing their battle plans.

Side note- How good of a strategist is Maximillian? Irish can strategize since he's been fighting and picking up things from a young age but it's mostly about guerilla tactics and situational advantage.