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MitchelJohn · 2013-08-08, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Ikaruga1

Big haul from last month that just arrived. Nothing new to you guys really, just playing catch-up here.

Apologize in advance for crappy phone pic quality.

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WUT D:

I was still looking for the reference book and the vol 1 of the manga D:

gbatemper · 2013-08-08, 23:35

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Originally Posted by grevierr

Nice, where did you get that Total Eclipse Reference book from? It fell under my radar.

It's was a old extra thing that came with extra..i think w/ a dengeki issue.

Ikaruga1 · 2013-08-09, 17:31

Haha, all the stuff came from YJA, so to answer your question grevierr it was basically a lucky catch I stumbled upon. Came with the Tech Gian issue it was a part of as well. Was an interesting read.

grevierr · 2013-08-10, 08:51

I see. well let me know if there's anything new in the Ref book. Dengeki...a friend might have one then...

Fireminer · 2013-08-10, 09:16

Man, it's extremly difficult to get Muv-luv material in Vietnam! Online stores are rare and expensive. Direct ways are almost impossible!

issuzark · 2013-08-10, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Fireminer

Man, it's extremly difficult to get Muv-luv material in Vietnam! Online stores are rare and expensive. Direct ways are almost impossible!

YJA and Mandarake all the way. Oh. Rakuten too.

calubin_175 · 2013-08-10, 16:31

Were the previous Chronicles bundled with a design settings book? The website is saying that the one being bundled with the first press release of Chronicles 04 is similar to the format of the Lunatic Dawn series. I am not sure whether this would mean no Lunatic Dawn for this year.

On 4chan I saw a color page describing IRG Takeru and bro Makabe, I am not sure whether it is a preview of the book. Either way, eventually all the mecha stuff will be compiled into some form of Integral Works and the character content into the Memorial Artbook series. Still no TE VN Memorial Artbook though, maybe they'll need to polish some of the artwork.

EDIT: Sorry it was no preview, just some doujin book on the pilot suits. I think I would expect the Lunatic Dawnish book to be in black and white, though there will obviously be new information unlike the TE books released around the release of the VN.

Said pic http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1375866099281.jpg

Freedomer · 2013-08-10, 17:41

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Originally Posted by calubin_175

Were the previous Chronicles bundled with a design settings book?

Yes, Chronicles 03.

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issuzark · 2013-08-10, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Freedomer

Yes, Chronicles 03.

I need to get that one. Soon.

grevierr · 2013-08-10, 22:21

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Originally Posted by calubin_175

EDIT: Sorry it was no preview, just some doujin book on the pilot suits. I think I would expect the Lunatic Dawnish book to be in black and white, though there will obviously be new information unlike the TE books released around the release of the VN.

Said pic http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1375866099281.jpg

Doujin book. Looks like 100p Intergral Works sized. Colored.

Sometimes you just feel hope from the fact that people would come up with such materials for this series that isn't generic Gundam shit.

Fireminer · 2013-08-10, 22:25

@grevierr: Well, by an extend, Muv-Luv is mix of Code Geass, Gundam and Evangelion! (And maybe a dash of Ideon or Macross.)

grevierr · 2013-08-10, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Fireminer

@grevierr: Well, by an extend, Muv-Luv is mix of Code Geass, Gundam and Evangelion! (And maybe a dash of Ideon or Macross.)

Considering that those don't even have bug wars, that comparison is flawed. Macross Frontier doesn't count as bug wars btw, just bug planes. Muv luv Alt is unique in the complexity of its world setting as well, compared to those series with only two or three sides to consider.

Fireminer · 2013-08-10, 23:00

That is why I quote: "to an extend", duh! But the complex of Muv-Luv still has holes in it, you know?

grevierr · 2013-08-10, 23:33

Sure, to the 'extend' that they are anime, mecha and sci-fiction. Otherwise the background and direction of the plots have very little in common. Even within those series you listed, they share very little common points. Unless a series has rather similar backgrounds or plot mechanics, its usually foolish to try and compare series just because they belong to the same genre.

If anything, I would compare MLA to Starship Troopers, Aliens, Back to the Future and War World 2 films, for the way the selling points of those stories were heavily borrowed from.

And plot holes are everywhere, there are no history text without holes in real life. The point is Kouki and gang actually bother to generate that amount of background for the series, which isn't something that is main stream, unlike Eva and Gundam. This is what attracts the fans.

Fireminer · 2013-08-11, 03:53

@grevierr: Sometime, Muv-Luv kind of reminds me Gundam UC: The creator making up a giant setting at first. And when their creations became famous, they tried to make sequels or spin-off materials using un-exploited part of the background, but in the end create even more details that Fanfictioner uses. (And not to mention a series of follow-up models.)

calubin_175 · 2013-08-11, 04:13

Gundam certainly did do it, but became so prolific that it became inconsistent and hardly made any sense, such as a billion general purpose type GMs and Zakus set in the One Year War since they were designed by several designers whom at first treated their designs as a visual rendition rather than a separate character. The limitation of Gundam lies in the fact that it began as a kiddy show with colorful robots, and no matter how you try to make it more realistic, it still won't.

Muv-Luv has a tight team of staff and a limited range of TSFs, so consistency will ensure. Instead of dishing out too many productions for profit making, they'll make enough to satisfy the fans I suppose.

The only new TSF this year so far is the Shiranui 2nd Phase 3. Last year's Lunatic Dawn visually introduced quite a few as well.

To put it simply, Muv-Luv takes the best of all Sci-Fi works. Kouki shares my sentiment of liking mass production types(the under dogs). I have long waited for a mecha series in which weapons a standardised and the protagonist does not get special treatment in that regard.

Fireminer · 2013-08-11, 04:30

@calubin: So do I! But isn't Kotobuya planning to release a Typhoon Custom at the end of this year?
Also, Muv-Luv is kind of a Tom Clancy-style history novel crossed with Sci-fi. A wonderful saga of Extreme Emotions and Events indeed! But Gundam doesn't really focused on these aspect. Its true purpose? Human is still human - cruel, cold, greedy... But also carries the last seed of hope, left alone in Pandora's Box! (Well, Muv-Luv does have this too, but Gundam makes Human as its own Destroyer.) Also, because of the tight and heavy setting of Muv-Luv, is kind of hard to write Original Fanfic...

calubin_175 · 2013-08-11, 04:47

I was referring to introducing new TSF into the universe to the fans. The black Typhoon is an existing design, but its combination with the British Fort Slayer is new. The point is we don't need too many mech designs as long as they serve their purpose. The most important thing is implementing those designs in the plot. If something is good, then it is less likely to have an expiry date. Even in Gundam, I am fond of the fact of the Zeon Remnants operating obsolete models. The funny thing is, Gundam Age was the first in the Gundam franchise to explicitly upgrade older models without changing its appearance, even though its out of universe rationale was laziness.

Fireminer · 2013-08-11, 05:00

Well, nothing is perfect!
Also, where could I found a Mig-23 (or 27) model in Vietnam? That online-bought F-16 really costs a fortune out of me!

issuzark · 2013-08-11, 06:22

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Originally Posted by Fireminer

Well, nothing is perfect!
Also, where could I found a Mig-23 (or 27) model in Vietnam? That online-bought F-16 really costs a fortune out of me!

How much is your budget man?
Mig-23 or 27 are A3's. And they're NOT CHEAP.

2013-08-10, 08:51	Link #1084
grevierr The Lovable SuBiTA Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sleeping in Yokohama base, Section 9.	I see. well let me know if there's anything new in the Ref book. Dengeki...a friend might have one then... __________________ When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt. Run in little circles, wave your arms and shout.

2013-08-10, 16:31	Link #1087
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Were the previous Chronicles bundled with a design settings book? The website is saying that the one being bundled with the first press release of Chronicles 04 is similar to the format of the Lunatic Dawn series. I am not sure whether this would mean no Lunatic Dawn for this year. On 4chan I saw a color page describing IRG Takeru and bro Makabe, I am not sure whether it is a preview of the book. Either way, eventually all the mecha stuff will be compiled into some form of Integral Works and the character content into the Memorial Artbook series. Still no TE VN Memorial Artbook though, maybe they'll need to polish some of the artwork. EDIT: Sorry it was no preview, just some doujin book on the pilot suits. I think I would expect the Lunatic Dawnish book to be in black and white, though there will obviously be new information unlike the TE books released around the release of the VN. Said pic http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1375866099281.jpg Last edited by calubin_175; 2013-08-10 at 16:58.

2013-08-10, 23:33	Link #1094
grevierr The Lovable SuBiTA Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sleeping in Yokohama base, Section 9.	Sure, to the 'extend' that they are anime, mecha and sci-fiction. Otherwise the background and direction of the plots have very little in common. Even within those series you listed, they share very little common points. Unless a series has rather similar backgrounds or plot mechanics, its usually foolish to try and compare series just because they belong to the same genre. If anything, I would compare MLA to Starship Troopers, Aliens, Back to the Future and War World 2 films, for the way the selling points of those stories were heavily borrowed from. And plot holes are everywhere, there are no history text without holes in real life. The point is Kouki and gang actually bother to generate that amount of background for the series, which isn't something that is main stream, unlike Eva and Gundam. This is what attracts the fans. __________________ When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt. Run in little circles, wave your arms and shout.

2013-08-09, 17:31	Link #1083
Ikaruga1 Eishi Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: United States	Haha, all the stuff came from YJA, so to answer your question grevierr it was basically a lucky catch I stumbled upon. Came with the Tech Gian issue it was a part of as well. Was an interesting read.

2013-08-10, 09:16	Link #1085
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Man, it's extremly difficult to get Muv-luv material in Vietnam! Online stores are rare and expensive. Direct ways are almost impossible!

2013-08-10, 22:25	Link #1091
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	@grevierr: Well, by an extend, Muv-Luv is mix of Code Geass, Gundam and Evangelion! (And maybe a dash of Ideon or Macross.)

2013-08-10, 23:00	Link #1093
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	That is why I quote: "to an extend", duh! But the complex of Muv-Luv still has holes in it, you know?

2013-08-11, 03:53	Link #1095
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	@grevierr: Sometime, Muv-Luv kind of reminds me Gundam UC: The creator making up a giant setting at first. And when their creations became famous, they tried to make sequels or spin-off materials using un-exploited part of the background, but in the end create even more details that Fanfictioner uses. (And not to mention a series of follow-up models.)

2013-08-11, 04:13	Link #1096
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Gundam certainly did do it, but became so prolific that it became inconsistent and hardly made any sense, such as a billion general purpose type GMs and Zakus set in the One Year War since they were designed by several designers whom at first treated their designs as a visual rendition rather than a separate character. The limitation of Gundam lies in the fact that it began as a kiddy show with colorful robots, and no matter how you try to make it more realistic, it still won't. Muv-Luv has a tight team of staff and a limited range of TSFs, so consistency will ensure. Instead of dishing out too many productions for profit making, they'll make enough to satisfy the fans I suppose. The only new TSF this year so far is the Shiranui 2nd Phase 3. Last year's Lunatic Dawn visually introduced quite a few as well. To put it simply, Muv-Luv takes the best of all Sci-Fi works. Kouki shares my sentiment of liking mass production types(the under dogs). I have long waited for a mecha series in which weapons a standardised and the protagonist does not get special treatment in that regard.

2013-08-11, 04:30	Link #1097
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	@calubin: So do I! But isn't Kotobuya planning to release a Typhoon Custom at the end of this year? Also, Muv-Luv is kind of a Tom Clancy-style history novel crossed with Sci-fi. A wonderful saga of Extreme Emotions and Events indeed! But Gundam doesn't really focused on these aspect. Its true purpose? Human is still human - cruel, cold, greedy... But also carries the last seed of hope, left alone in Pandora's Box! (Well, Muv-Luv does have this too, but Gundam makes Human as its own Destroyer.) Also, because of the tight and heavy setting of Muv-Luv, is kind of hard to write Original Fanfic...

2013-08-11, 04:47	Link #1098
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	I was referring to introducing new TSF into the universe to the fans. The black Typhoon is an existing design, but its combination with the British Fort Slayer is new. The point is we don't need too many mech designs as long as they serve their purpose. The most important thing is implementing those designs in the plot. If something is good, then it is less likely to have an expiry date. Even in Gundam, I am fond of the fact of the Zeon Remnants operating obsolete models. The funny thing is, Gundam Age was the first in the Gundam franchise to explicitly upgrade older models without changing its appearance, even though its out of universe rationale was laziness.

2013-08-11, 05:00	Link #1099
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Well, nothing is perfect! Also, where could I found a Mig-23 (or 27) model in Vietnam? That online-bought F-16 really costs a fortune out of me!