2004-10-21, 22:31 | Link #1 |
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Paul Hamm - Olympic Fraud?
Just heard the results on that american that got the gold in olympic gymnastics due to an error. They let him keep it, go figure, since he didnt really win it. Just wondering what everyone thinks of this.
Personaly I think he has become perfect example of bad sportmanship, and is quite pathetic for even acepting the gold after he found out about the mistake, let alone fighting to keep it. He should be ashamed of himself and it amazes me that his country dosent have any shame about it either. |
2004-10-21, 22:58 | Link #2 |
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How exactly is Paul Hamm wanting to keep the gold medal an act of bad sportsmanship?
Paul Hamm didn't cheat to get the medal. The judges made a mistake in adding Yang's score. You just can't say that if they corrected the score, the medal would have went to Yang. Paul Hamm performed a routine that with just enough diffuculty to give him the gold. There is nothing to say that Paul Hamm wouldn't have just perform a higher difficulty routine that would have given him the gold anyway. |
2004-10-21, 23:13 | Link #3 | |
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Personally, after that last sentence in his post, I think Grona is just using this as an excuse to bash americans in general. The only people who did anything wrong in that were the judges, and I'm 90% sure none of the ones in question were american.
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2004-10-21, 23:16 | Link #4 | |
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And nothing to say he could of pulled off anything more difficult, he didnt. It simply comes down to an error that was the judges fault, for that he was rightfully 2nd place, and if a protest was filed in time he most likely wouldent have the gold now. |
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2004-10-21, 23:34 | Link #5 | |
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Question for you. Do you think that Roy Jones Jr. should be awarded the the gold medal in boxing after most experts and even one of the judges said that he won the fight? The judge said himself that Jones won the fight and he gave the match to the Korean boxer so as not to embarras the boxer. |
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2004-10-21, 23:35 | Link #6 | |
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2004-10-21, 23:42 | Link #7 | |
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And Kamui4356, you think I'm bashing americans? Yes, questioning any aspect of the mighty empire means I bash them, I hate them, they can burn after they blow me. Really now, get real. |
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2004-10-21, 23:56 | Link #8 | ||
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edit: er, Charlote Observer, that is. edit2: hmm, direct link isn't working. Just google: (paul hamm gymnastics three four pauses) It's the second one. edit3: let's try the google cached version Last edited by durrem; 2004-10-22 at 00:08. |
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2004-10-22, 01:10 | Link #10 |
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I actualy watched and followed this during the olymics.
The fact of the matter is, Korea waited to long to register a complaint. In sports, you cannot go back and re adjust the scores based on review tapes. No sport does that. If the judges make a call, and award the prize, later some one comes and points out a mistake, you get an apology. I was not aware of the other errors made in the korean routine. Yet I did watch the american interviewed. He was willing to give back the medal, but was advised by his coatch not to. He then said he would wait on the olimic commites decision. If they asked him to return it, he would. If no request was forth comming, he would keep it. No request for him to ruturn the medal was made. You might actualy want to find a true reason to justify your hate of americans, thier are pleanty of them. Like the fact we seem to hate so many other culters without propor basis for our feelings. that is always a good one. |
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2004-10-22, 01:51 | Link #12 |
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Speaking of waiting too long to register a protest, all of this is about something that's been a done deal for months now. Hamm decided not to personally do anything back then and that didn't change. And the sports bodies appealed to since the Olympics have ruled that they have no right to rule.
None of this makes for much of a story, or a reason to attempt to slander Hamm. Bad sportsmanship encompasses any form of cheating; beyond that, a sportsman may have a chance to make a magnanimous gesture from time to time, but not taking that chance is not bad sportsmanship. The only thing which I find objectionable about any of this is that the American press will use this to wring out 15 more minutes of gloating about the Olympics. |
2004-10-22, 01:56 | Link #13 |
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As the judges stated, S. Korea waited too long to file the complaint and as such have no basis on the case as a whole. The judges stated that even if they didn't wait to protest the olympic judges there could've been really little to do, that's why they made a comment on hindsight.
Hell, even S. Korea conceeded to the ruling and aren't going to make a stink about it, why should you?
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2004-10-22, 02:49 | Link #14 |
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Looks like you jumped on something too soon.
As I remember, with the scoring error on the koreans difficulty which would have given him a few more points, but with errors they missed he would have lost some points, coming out ahead, but still not in first. |
2004-10-22, 08:57 | Link #15 |
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So comparing a recognized error to something that was found out long after is valid, riiight. The Olympic panel never recognized the error even after the hub bub, so its pretty irrelevant. It was in the interest of good sportsmanship that he was asked to turn over the medal and he simply wouldent hear of it.
And Kamui4356 you should leave your american hating paranoia elsewhere, its not only rude but quite insulting. |
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2004-10-22, 15:39 | Link #17 |
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I doubt that this will even get half the amount of press that the intial incident got. Most Americans have moved on with their sports interests. Most of the attention now is towards the baseball playoffs and regular season football. I think that more has been written about Ricky Williams retirement and his wanting to return than Paul Hamm.
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2004-10-23, 00:46 | Link #20 | |
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I also really don't get why we're talking about the Olympics when it was over at least 2 months ago, or why your defending the Korean's so strongly. If you look at any newspaper, it specifcally says that even if the korean olympian had been graded on a 10.0 scale, he still had too many errors to stay in 1st place. The judges really did him a favor in not noticing the fact that he had four pauses instead of 3. If they had seen that initially, then he probably would have had 3rd place. |
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