(CR) Astarotte (a.k.a. Lotte) no Omocha!

[Guesser]

I really enjoy these family-theme series, don't have many of these nowadays. Although I was turned off by the description at the start, but I'm glad I checked out the first 2 episodes. Hope it stays this good for the rest of the series.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by winkel

I suspect the family/friends ostracized Asuha, and he was the one that protected her, sacrificing himself and his future to raise her.

He also mentions that Asuha and Mercie "saved" him somehow, so it might be likely that something happened to him in the 3 years before she reappeared and he was at a low point that they saved him from.

Yeah I was thinking about it when he talked about Asuha saving him. While dumping a child on him at that age would have probably lead to all those issues, it was the existence of Asuha that made him able to keep moving forward. Plenty of reasons for sure for him to be upset at the first meeting after all that time with Mercie. Still just focusing on being upset would ignore the happiness that Asuha did bring.

Either way getting this job and out of the human realm is a good development for them both.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I think you are probably right on a lot of this, but that wasn't really my question . It was more a case of if the Queen is Asuha's mother then why isn't Asuha a succubus? They made the big point in the first episode that succubi pass along all their traits to their offspring no matter what species they mate with. So it's kind of strange that not only does Asuha not have those traits but she looks more like Naoya which would mean she took on more of his traits. So either something went wrong, humans are unusual enough to mess up that normal process, or Naoya is somehow special. Maybe it was necessary to cover up that this happened in the human realm and something special was done to Asuha.

I would say that the only reference point that they had was the men from the creature realm. It may well be that when a human mates with anyone from the creature realm the child will be human. Also, if Asuha and Lotte are twins it opens up other possibilities. It could be that when a succubus has non identical twins one of them is her fathers race. Then they would need to hide Asuha so no one questioned Lotte's parentage. Also, given the bracelet's reaction in the first episode, I have to wonder if Naoya perhaps has an ancestor from the creature realm.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Not that it has been touched upon in the Manga yet, but one gets the awful feeling that Naoya's parents might have kicked him out of the house when the found out about Asuha, not willing to bear with the shame of such a son. Don't laugh; this happens a LOT in Asian families.

I'm asian and I often saw girls get pregnant at early age which result in abortion or unplanned family. It happens a lot and I saw it a lot.

This would have forced him to stop finshing high school, and be stuck with dead-end jobs (as a result of not having that all-imporant university degree) just to keep a roof over his daughter's head.

well this is possible but the thing that bugs me is Naoya is not your average joe. His more like hayate. So there are more to him than this

Even if his folks were somehow magnanimous enough to not kick him out,, the stares that he gets at school, not to mention the frequent and hushed whispers for being a "deviant" would have robbed him of any and all friendships.

I don't even see his parents in the flashback. I wonder where they are. In work? but the night falls and the parent's didn't come back at all.

Either way, Merce dumping Asuha on Naoya ended his boyhood and severed all ties of kinship and friendship he may have had. The boy has EVERY right to be angry at her, but somehow found it in him to thank and love her instead.

Still it looks like. It gives him more reasons to live.

Originally Posted by winkel

I suspect the family/friends ostracized Asuha, and he was the one that protected her, sacrificing himself and his future to raise her.

Where was his parents to begin with. I'm seeing them as always gone type of parents due to work. That's why Naoya was quite mature for age of 13.

He also mentions that Asuha and Mercie "saved" him somehow, so it might be likely that something happened to him in the 3 years before she reappeared and he was at a low point that they saved him from.

Asuha was his reasons to live. That sentence struck me. Or more like his the emo type or emotional type that felt alone and doesn't have any reasons to live on until Merci dump Asuha to him. Giving him reasons to live on. Maybe from then on he started to live on up for her daughter because he has reasons to not fail or to give up.

[winkel]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Where was his parents to begin with. I'm seeing them as always gone type of parents due to work. That's why Naoya was quite mature for age of 13.

The manga clears up that scene when he and Mercie are over at his house.

Spoiler:

They were waiting for his father to come back home from his work trip that day, but his father got caught up and had to stay over at some hotel for the night, so he never came back home that day. But yes it's the usual setup of parents out at work all day and kids left home alone.

[guuchan]

Got to say, it's quite a refreshing experience to hear Akiko-san... I mean, Minaguchi Yuuko sounding all "naughty". She has been voicing for many, many years, but her image of Akiko in Kanon is just deeply rooted in my heart ever since. To me, the kind, understanding and calm mom/aunt figure is what her voice represents, which somewhat fits Mercelida. Somewhat.

Originally Posted by Malkuth

Also should I note that Naoya is the most selfless person in the universe (real and fictional)... Not only he forgave his first love dumbing him, he also took care of their child, and in order to meet her again he cross-dressed to serve refreshments to the guys that bang her everyday... and when they finally meet the only thing he said is thank you (OK, that would be completely normal if none of the above occured), and asks a favour for Astarotte This guy must be the dream husband of every girl in existence

As much as I enjoyed this episode, my face just went -_- when he said "arigatou". Yeah, he stated the reason right afterwards, and might it be a justified reason, I still felt that word strongly out of place in that scene. Abused word is abused.

[SeaDoor]

I am wondering about the word Lotte uses when referring to her mother. Is it a real word or something made up for this anime? Does it have any story significance that Lotte uses it? Anyone???

[winkel]

母上?

It's a real word. It's used to refer to one's mother in a very formal/royal setting. Basically royalty/nobles need a way to address themselves so that they can be different from the way commoners address each other.

[nightjade]

omg just looked at the raw and it seems that the queen Mercie was into night crawling and gave him a pleasant surprise while he was sleeping. thats how Naoya made Asuha.
o and they first met when he was climbing a tree then feel and landed on top of her.

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by winkel

母上?

It's a real word. It's used to refer to one's mother in a very formal/royal setting. Basically royalty/nobles need a way to address themselves so that they can be different from the way commoners address each other.

Indeed, she uses haha-ue (母上), both in the anime and the manga. To be precise (unlike CR), the first kanji is used for mother and used with it's kun (japanese reading) is used to talk about your own family, while the second literally means above, but as a name ending it is used to convey respect and dependence or precedence, in other words it is used for older members of a family (as in chichi-ue, haha-ue, ani-ue, and ane-ue)... and you can probably tell that modes of speech is my favourite part of the language

Originally Posted by nightjade

omg just looked at the raw and it seems that the queen Mercie was into night crawling and gave him a pleasant surprise while he was sleeping. thats how Naoya made Asuha.
o and they first met when he was climbing a tree then feel and landed on top of her.

First part is somewhat spoilerific

[nightjade]

sorry bout that dont know how to use the spoiler tag

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Asuha was his reasons to live. That sentence struck me. Or more like his the emo type or emotional type that felt alone and doesn't have any reasons to live on until Merci dump Asuha to him. Giving him reasons to live on. Maybe from then on he started to live on up for her daughter because he has reasons to not fail or to give up.

Your perspective on life changes when you have a child to take care of, regardless of how well you're doing in school. Naoya doesn't have to have been a bad kid, just an average one that probably didn't work as hard for the sake of others as he does now.

Anyway, the anime is a nice adaptation. We get a lot more insight on the queen's perspective, which is lacking in the manga.

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by nightjade

sorry bout that dont know how to use the spoiler tag

Just in case you're not a troll click the spoiler icon type the reason you're spoiling, and then you can type the spoiler... or use the BBcode.

And be careful there are troll/newbie-eating mods lurking around here

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Anyway, the anime is a nice adaptation. We get a lot more insight on the queen's perspective, which is lacking in the manga.

Or we are getting a more mellow/mainstream point of view on the queen's character Personally, don't mind either way

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Malkuth

Or we are getting a more mellow/mainstream point of view on the queen's character Personally, don't mind either way

No, the queen is definitely getting more screentime. In the manga, her crying after Naoya and Asuha thank her for giving birth is basically one panel where her eyes water up, then a text bubble with "Uuuuuu~" off-panel. It didn't even really show her crying.

[winkel]

I think the anime Queen and the manga Queen are close parallels of each other, they're not significantly different.

[Malkuth]

there was more in the fourth volume, therefore my comment, but it has not been translated yet, as far as I know

[Shadow5YA]

I'm just comparing the material that was covered. The scene the anime covered from the manga was far more generous to Merce in the anime.

[Malkuth]

I don't want to spoil, but suffice to say, the anime takes a different perspective on the queen's circumstances, than the manga (up to volume four, that I checked)... but not less detailed.

Or let me put it in another way, this is no Kurokami (the worst adaption I have ever watched, including Tsukihime), events, and characters are different, but not exclusive behaviour-wise. One is complementing the other, IMHO

[mysterious]

Originally Posted by Malkuth

I don't want to spoil, but suffice to say, the anime takes a different perspective on the queen's circumstances, than the manga (up to volume four, that I checked)... but not less detailed.

Or let me put it in another way, this is no Kurokami (the worst adaption I have ever watched, including Tsukihime), events, and characters are different, but not exclusive behaviour-wise. One is complementing the other, IMHO

You mean like the anime takes events from the manga and messes up all the order and such? I dont mind though. We just get to see her Majesty in 2 different ways like Konata said "two for one price"

[jeroz]

sorry, i couldn't help it...:P

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once again, the luck of being the last one in the page...