[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Translation Project

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Spoiler for Episode7 in response to chrono's screenshot:

Lol chrono, this is the second time you make a joke about a character's sexuality by taking their sentences out of context, first Battler now Will! XD

To whoever is wondering, yes Will said so, but by "partner" he means a partner in a job not partner in a love relationship. Anyway anyone knows that Will's only love is Diana.

I don't know,

Spoiler:

Will and Lion have a LOT of romantic and sexual subtext even without that line. I mean for one thing they literally can't keep their hands off each other.

@Ghost_Zero5: There will be an EP8, and Ryukishi claims it will have multiple endings.

[Number1-Syaoran-Fan]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

Is episode 7 already the last one or will there be one more?

From the ending of the tea party and ??? (after quick skipping there) I guess there will be another one because the ending of the "tea party" doesn't seem to get resolved with "???"

Spoiler for It might contain a small spoiler; so just to be sure::

From the pictures it seems like Bernkastel wanted to end everything "without heart or so" but Will jumped in near the end of "tea party" to prevent her from doing so which is why I said that it looks like there is going to be another one..?

But I didn't find any definitive proof on the internet, so can somebody confirm if there will be another one or not?

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that

Spoiler for EP8:

lambda is supposed to be the game master for EP8...

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Number1-Syaoran-Fan

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that

Spoiler for EP8:

lambda is supposed to be the game master for EP8...

Fake spoiler. There is no confirmation in the game of that.

[Renall]

As far as I know there is only a tiny bit of information about ep8 and nothing about its specific content, save that ep6 and ep7 are already "endings" for particular parts of the story and ep8 will be the "ending" for a different part.

That's all we know, I believe. Anything else would be composition, not content.

[Jan-Poo]

But anyway to answer ghost_Zero5's question, I think that EP8 has been confirmed by Ryuukishi himself.

[ghost_zero5]

OK. Thanks for the information.

I wonder if it will indeed have multiple endings like AuraTwilight said.

[Jan-Poo]

That's also something that Ryuukishi said, but I'm not sure what he meant exactly.

[Renall]

Yeah that wasn't clear. He's alleged to have said that in an interview that was acceptably sourced, but he hasn't elaborated since as far as I know, so what he actually means is really anyone's guess.

Presumably the closer we get to December Comiket, the more info there will be.

[bigemperor]

AMAZING FIRST FOUR CHAPTERS REALLY AMAZING, i really like will and all the setting in this episode god i love so much umineko THANKS WH i will wait for the second partial patch every day.

[delita-umw-]

Thanks for all the hardwork WH but damn do I wish that you guys hadn't released that partial patch. Was doing fine staying away from umineko and now I'm going crazy in anticipation for the rest =(

[Thunder Book]

Wait Episode 6 is supposed to be considered an ending to part of the story?

Am I the only one kind of confused by that?

[Number1-Syaoran-Fan]

Originally Posted by Thunder Book

Wait Episode 6 is supposed to be considered an ending to part of the story?

Am I the only one kind of confused by that?

Spoiler for just in case:

Unfortunately i think it was the end to the battler and beatrice tale...

[einhorn303]

Ok, since people are asking spoiler-related questions, there's one thing I'd like to know about Episode 7. It's a spoiler, but the one thing that I'd like to get spoiled on.

Spoiler for Episode 7 question:

Does Erika Furudo appear in this episode in any capacity?

[Klashikari]

Mentioned only 3-4 times. Didn't appear at all in Episode 7.

[Revelation]

Originally Posted by einhorn303

Ok, since people are asking spoiler-related questions, there's one thing I'd like to know about Episode 7. It's a spoiler, but the one thing that I'd like to get spoiled on.

Spoiler for Episode 7 question:

Does Erika Furudo appear in this episode in any capacity?

Spoiler for EP7:

[AuraTwilight]

Yea, um....Erika was conceptually denied. Her existence was disproven, so she'll probably never show up ever again.

[Mercurius]

Ok, I agree that using the translation thread would be more productive than creating another sub-thread.

I had a question about the very beginning of episode 7:

Spoiler for Beginning text:

Is this poem based on an actual poem by Virgil? Or is it more of a made-up thematic element a la Bernkastel? Tried searching for it, but didn't turn up in any google search of Virgil's works.

Spoiler for Overall thoughts on Chapters 0-4:

I was VERY impressed with how the background on Kinzo's WWII experience cleanly explains some of the biggest mysteries behind who Beatrice really was. And though it wasn't completely deducible from the previous episodes, I can't say it was pulled out of Ryushiki's rear end. The theme of 'The consequences of Truth' continues with the near-confrontation of the Shkannon theory, and it looks many of the other theories will be addressed.

Things I'm anticipating will be addressed in this episode, given the reveals so far:
1. Battler's Sin
2. The answer to the Epitaph
3. The origin of the supernatural elements

[einhorn303]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Spoiler for I really think you should spoiler that:

Yea, um....Erika was conceptually denied. Her existence was disproven, so she'll probably never show up ever again.

I don't think that really matters, since:

Spoiler:

Beatrice was conceptually denied, and proven not to exist, at the end of Episode 5 (before the Tea Party), via the red truth. She was run through with Dlanor's "Red Key," which says in the tips that: "Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts. "

Sakutarou was conceptually denied by Rosa. Quote: "Sakutaro is a stuffed animal that Rosa made herself, right? And yet, Rosa has denied him. Therefore, he cannot exist. …Give it up. There is no way to revive Sakutaro." He still appeared at the end of Episode 4.

The Seven Stakes of Purgatory were conceptually denied, and "proven to be nothing but paper weights" at the end of Episode 5 (before the Tea Party), via the red truth.

Basically: When someone is "conceptually denied," that denial can always be overturned with new facts or arguments.

The truth that "Erika doesn't exist" can always be rewritten by a new, more convincing truth. I can think of a multitude of ways to solve the contradiction at the end of Episode 6 while preserving Erika's existence.

It's impossible for Erika to not exist, because her nonexistance would conflict with a number of red truths in Episodes 5 and 6.

[Shiro Kaisen]

Originally Posted by einhorn303

I don't think that really matters, since:

Spoiler:

Beatrice was conceptually denied, and proven not to exist, at the end of Episode 5 (before the Tea Party), via the red truth. She was run through with Dlanor's "Red Key," which says in the tips that: "Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts. "

Sakutarou was conceptually denied by Rosa. Quote: "Sakutaro is a stuffed animal that Rosa made herself, right? And yet, Rosa has denied him. Therefore, he cannot exist. …Give it up. There is no way to revive Sakutaro." He still appeared at the end of Episode 4.

The Seven Stakes of Purgatory were conceptually denied, and "proven to be nothing but paper weights" at the end of Episode 5 (before the Tea Party), via the red truth.

Basically: When someone is "conceptually denied," that denial can always be overturned with new facts or arguments.

The truth that "Erika doesn't exist" can always be rewritten by a new, more convincing truth. I can think of a multitude of ways to solve the contradiction at the end of Episode 6 while preserving Erika's existence.

It's impossible for Erika to not exist, because her nonexistance would conflict with a number of red truths in Episodes 5 and 6.

Spoiler:

Let's not be hasty with that last point.

"Furudo Erika" or "Erika" is a title given to a piece on the board! For example, what if it was Shannon?

That said, it's largely irrelevant at this point due to the continually mounting Shkanon evidence.

[atruong18]

Well I don't hold enough to say anything back, but I need to correct some things with what you said.

Spoiler:

Beatrice was conceptually denied
I made sure and checked back the Episode, and I did not see any red text that was used to deny her, nor did I recall her getting stabbed. It was Battler who was pierced by the Red Key, while Beatrice was eaten by the Goatmen or something of the sort. Battler was pierced by the Red Key, as you said a conceptual weapon, since his theories and arguments were denied, thus his "state of death" from the lost of the ability to think any more."

Sakutarou was conceptually denied
There was no red text that denied him. There was some foreshadowing and hint from EP4 (at the boat) and EP6 (mentioned by Ange if I recall), that there may be more than 1 of him in existence. The statement that "Rosa made [Sakutaro] herself" was not spoken in red text, because that was not the truth. His existence was destroyed by Maria when she saw her mother rip apart Sakutaro, only because she, herself, believed that Sakutaro was one-of-a-kind. Ange discovered the truth, so she performed the 'magic' of ressurection.

The Seven Stakes of Purgatory were conceptually denied
I remembered this scene was in the Tea Party segment. Again, there was no red text used to confirm this. It was stated, but not confirmed. Since it was not confirmed, their existence can be questionable and can continue to exist.

Now for my own answer to the following:
Erika's "conceptual denial" was in the EP6 TIPs after you have completed the Episode. It stated that she fell off her ship and was never discovered. Since the time frame of her disappearance and the Rokkenjima Murder happened around the same time, there were some theories and speculations that she may have landed on the island and was written into the story. However, there was no evidence to back up the claim. I wouldn't say that Devil's Proof would go along with this, because this is after the typhoon passed.

As we learned in EP6, there were many "Bottled-Note" writers (such as Miss AuAu) who made their own story to explain the island and add on to the story. The inclusion of Erika would not affect "the truth" behind the incident, so her existence can be made into the story. Her role is to help discover the truth, but she cannot change or stop it.

As for the number of red truths in Episode 5 and 6 [that conflicts with her], theres the general red truths that applies to all games and the gameboard red truths that only applies to the situation of the current game. Since Erika was made to be included into the gameboard of EP5 and 6, the story was made to include Erika.

Summing it up, Erika's existence does not affect the story, therefore her existence can be made into the story when it was confirmed that there are no signs of her landing on Rokkenjima