2011-12-20, 00:46 | Link #5041 |
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I said they were similar to the Wolkenritter because they are a group of villains who do the things they do because of circumstance, and are together because of their leader, who they have a great deal of loyalty for. I never said they were the exact same thing, because I'd be a fucking idiot for it.
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2011-12-20, 01:26 | Link #5044 |
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The lot of you are being like goats butting horns right now. You and Tiresias are determined to tell everyone else that Force is crap and a copycat, and Raiser and Keroko are trying to tell you that's not the case, and you just shoot down their explanations with your own explanations, regardless of how ridiculous they sound when it happens.
We all get the point already. So what's the point of doing this dance again? I mean, really, you're just wasting your time, the lot of you. Nobody's opinions on Force are going to change any time soon.
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2011-12-20, 02:28 | Link #5047 | |||
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The biggest difference at present is, the magical world was only a lengthy visit for Negima while it's a permanent move for Nanoha. Quote:
And you just keep trying to downplay what Madoka did in order to shore up your argument that it wasn't all that great. Madoka took all that nice about being a magical girl (the mascot, the trasfomation, the powers, the fellow magical girls, etc) and turned them against the magical girls themselves. In other MG shows, there may have been villians that were "serious" to the point of killing people irrevocably, but can you give me another show where the decision to become an MG is what destroys the girls as MGs? I know you past record. If you say Mai-Hime as you did in the past, I will slap you. You might as well call Highlander a superhero title if you call Mai-Hime a magical girl series. Quote:
From your posts after Madoka's ep8, it's more like you were butthurt because the show wasn't going in the direction you predicted, and it had the gall to do so in way that pleased the rest of the audience. You didn't start slinging mud until the anti-Kyubei guys could point to his confession in ep8. You made arguments around semantics, called on plot holes that were reasonably covered and came up with an "alternative method" that actually has a bigger plot hole and thought it was better! Despite your accusations of Madoka fans in the its subforum, we matched your arguments with our own. Had we been the "rabid fanboys" you made us out to be and the show as weak as you believed, that wouldn't have been possible. You want to continue this? Come back to the Madoka forum. If you'll be civil, I'm sure the mods won't ban you for just speaking your mind. Kaijo tells me he made a deal with the mods to stay out of the Madoka forums. So he takes his chance to talk about Madoka where he finds it. As a mod yourself, I'm sure you would know more about that than me. |
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2011-12-20, 03:02 | Link #5048 | |
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Even if it was phoning it in, which it isn't, Vivid is phoning it in way more so if you're going to critisize anything, critisize Vivid.
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2011-12-20, 03:08 | Link #5049 |
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I'm saying if this was a new franchise instead of something they know a lot of people already like, it would do far, far worse.
And you already do that perfectly, why should I bother? I won't argue that it doesn't, in addition to some other flaws, but it's still less shameful about it than here in a sense. |
2011-12-20, 04:50 | Link #5053 | ||||||||
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Also some of them being blatant eveil archetypes of Wolkenritter members don't help things at all with the worst offenders being, of course, Curren and Cypha. They even have this "Leader and sub-group of 4 warriors ensemble". As Curren usually avoid direct fight and Cypha, Arnage, Veron and Deville are the other mainly battle-oriented members of the family with Stella being support and fortis being the annoying smart guy. Position on the Battlefield in comparision with the wolks: Cypha = Signum (i really need to explain this one?) Deville = Vita (Berserkers with increased resilence and a big weapon) Veyron = Zafira (The "weak but skilled" smart fighter) Arnage = Shamal (Aru is the less close-combat oriented of the four also the more sentimental of the bunch). They even have now their own "Reinforce/Rein Zwei" in Fifth xDU. Quote:
Fortunately, Tohma is doing better work as a main character right know(if a bit su-ish) so let's wait and see what happens with him. Like i've said he's not a bad character per se it's only the circunstances around him that suck. Quote:
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But yeah on the topic of "what if Madoka's writer do Nanoha" i'll guess we at least could have well aplied dark elements and not just half-baked "dark twists" like in Force. If they'll took a "strong" character and make as if it's going to die, better as well go through with it instead of chickening out at the last moment. That's pretty lame. Quote:
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The problem isn't the existence of the story. It's in "how" the story is being telled xDU. ... PHEW! so much activity in just a single day of abscence xDU.
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2011-12-20, 05:04 | Link #5054 | ||
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Also watch Ga-Rei Zero and imagine what would happen if, i.e, Fate, at the peak of her happiness, get shit hit the fan as badly as Yomi. Quote:
And what Gen would do if he gets his hands on Nanoha. Watch Sayaka arc in Madoka, or watch Ga-Rei Zero. And imagine something much worse like a slice of Berserk or Gantz thrown in it. I mean if magic can exist, who can say if abominations like God's Hand can not exist? After all, for a part of light, an equal part of darkness is cast.
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2011-12-20, 05:08 | Link #5056 |
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Only if you grew up watching nothing but My Little Pony, otherwise Ga-Rei Zero is very watchable, unless you cannot stomach rise & FALL stories.
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2011-12-20, 05:10 | Link #5057 | |
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In fact, i already posted something about the relation between Signum and Yomi on the previous Force thread, but better not talk deeper into it, the results weren't nice xDU. I can stomach if those are well written wich fortunately was Yomi's case. I feel deep pity for her but that don't undermine how Badass she is in the slightiest.
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Using that information, the fact that Bardiche survived a direct hit from a reacted eclipse infected without a scratch, whereas Leavantine shattered merely through hitting an eclipse infected body, the success of the weapon cannot be denied. Quote:
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Dunno, I find surviving a sword to the gut after being sliced open head to shoulder twice to be pretty badass. |
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2011-12-20, 07:20 | Link #5059 | ||||
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Season 1: Fate pwned Nanoha but it was because of inexperience, solved as she started to show prowess on following encounters. A's: Vita pwned Nanoha but got near defeated by a not-upgraded Fate and Arf. Signum recognizes Fate as a worthy opponent right from the start despite the advantage in weapons/experience. StrikerS: The numbers are carefull as they know of the awesome feats of the heroes so they make good use of planning and strategy to deal structural damage to their organization/morale and strike pivotal points of their strategy(Deed, Otto and an army of drones taking down the defensive wall of Shamal/Zafira; Cinque blowing up generator, etc...). SSX: Mariage have the power in numbers and individually they go Kamikaze if faced by an un conquerable opponent. ... Force: Huckebein/Tohma are better than the heroes, hands down. Quote:
Yeah well, i'm still waiting for the second half of the awesome feat. Yomi got ambushed and left paraplegic without a chance to fight back which only amped up the tragedy but also justifies her "defeat" the second half comes in that she rises of the bed and started massive curbstomp left and right. And i really doubt Tsuzuki would allow Signum to do that on his beloved Huckebeins xDU.
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2011-12-20, 07:35 | Link #5060 | |
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Which is a giant warhammer...
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Seriously, there is little difference. Good guys get defeated, they get stronger or receive better weapons, they come back for another go. We've had step one, seen phases of step two, and we'll eventually see step three again. The biggest detriment to Force is it's monthly release. Even in StrikerS, we at least didn't have to wait so goddamn long to see if our complaints were valid. In Force, it takes a month. A month of stewing. This really makes it a manga that should be read casually, not as hardcore overly analytical like we're doing. Though I'd prefer it if it was weekly instead... Agreed. A fresh cast, or even continuing with the StrikerS cast (I mean, hell, that show was pretty much set up to make Subaru the new lead) would have served Force far better. |
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