2009-12-03, 19:19 | Link #82 |
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I'm looking forward to seeing Sengoku in action.
Being the current Fleet Admiral and one of the significant figures from Gold Roger's time must mean he has quite the power behind him. Question is whether or not he has a devil fruit. If he doesn't and since he's a higher rank than the 3 admirals which all have logias, that's a pretty freakin' strong dude.
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2009-12-03, 19:34 | Link #83 |
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^So far the only thing we can be certain of is that Sengoku and Garp are around the same level of strength, as chapter 0 indicates. At first I wasn't sure he'd have a DF power myself, but frankly I didn't expect Whitebeard to have a DF, either. So that's why I think it's most likely that he has a fruit ability, as well (I've speculated several times that he might have a karma-based DF, since it would fit well with his title of "Buddha").......
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Though you could be right about him not being stronger, promotion through the ranks in any form of militia isn't determined by age, it's determined by exceeding satifactory results on missions and worthwhile contibutions to the overall morale of the unit. Heck look at Garp from chapter 0. He was offered the chance to become an admiral several times due to his great work but turned them all down.
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2009-12-03, 22:46 | Link #86 |
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Yes but it has been 22 years since then, we already know grap is not as strong as he was before . He said that him self already . The question is has sengoku lost any power like grap and if so how much . I still expect both him and grap to be top tier just not in there prime .
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2009-12-03, 23:08 | Link #87 | |
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Garp is the one who is not only has wrinkles and is covered with gray hair, but also showed his hair beginning to gary 20 years ago... by all means Sengoku looks like he's the younger of the two... |
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2009-12-04, 00:33 | Link #88 |
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It seems WB will be just like his number 1 opponent, Gold D Roger, throwing away hist last "few" years of his life for future generation.
Considering that the bosses of the old world, all fought with strength, haki, and skills, while younger generation could take it easy with the magical "devil fruit" ( the sky world, the marines, and the pirates......) i will say there's a sudden surge in devil fruits worldwide in past decades . (I suspect WB himself got his tittle even before he got the fruit) Of course the three admirals and the top two division commanders of WB are not weak in strength, but obviously it's not a coincidence that they all have such a powerful devil fruit. In another word, it's not far stretched to say: "they got up to their current position thank to their devil fruit power"
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I can't see Smoker becoming a Captain without his Devil Fruit. We have seen only a few powerhouse characters in One Piece that doesn't use Devil Fruits. Which is Pirate King Gol D. Roger (in chapter 0 we only saw him use a gun and sword, so its not 100% proven that he didn't have a Devil Fruit ability), Dark King Rayleigh, Red-Haired Shanks, Mihawk, Blackbeard (he was strong even before he got his Devil Fruit ability) and probably some others I can't think of at the moment. Speaking of Shanks, I wonder if anybody in his crew has a Devil Fruit. Because so far the manga has led me to believe they don't. Shanks uses Haki and a sword (as far as we know), Yassup is a Sniper, the fat guy uses a pistol and Ben uses a Rifle. |
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2009-12-04, 09:27 | Link #91 |
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Now this is totally baseless, but I figure if Mihawk has means of hurting a logia user, it doesn't have to be based on haki.
Since he's the "strongest swordsman" in the One Piece world, I expect him to be able to hurt a logia through hearing and detecting their "breaths". This was a swordsman concept introduced to us in the Alabasta arc by Zoro's master. It only makes sense it is utilized by the top swordsmen in the world. Meaning, I don't think Mihawk "needs" haki to hurt any given substance in the world, as long as he takes time and meditate to hear its "breathing", much like Zoro did. Otherwise I don't see the point of the whole concept being introduced into the story.
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2009-12-04, 10:17 | Link #92 |
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Well, karma is basically the result of any good or bad deeds that people have done in their life, which could even effect them when they reincarnate to their next life. So if a person has lived an honest, virtuous life, they'd be rewarded for it (good karma). On the other hand, if someone's been living a sinful existence, they'd receive divine punishment (bad karma). The way I see it, a karma DF takes that same principal into action. Imagine Sengoku using such a power against all those pirates, all criminals who built up so much bad karma due to living a life of villainy. He could punish them all by making them suffer great misfortune with his ability (the more bad karma they built up, the greater their misfortune). To be a little more specific, Sengoku could cause the pirates to accidentally injure themselves or their comrades, slip up attacks, or cause internal discord amongst themselves (like we saw him do with Squado a few chapters back). Sengoku would pretty much be something like a vengeful deity to those pirates if he had such a power at his disposal (of course, Buddha technically ISN'T a god, but still ). ....But of course, this is all hypothetical. But I still think it would be really awesome if Sengoku really DOES have such a fruit. 'Twould be a good way to show that destructive force alone doesn't a devastating DF power make...... |
2009-12-04, 10:46 | Link #93 |
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^I think I would prefer if Sengoku, or at least one of the top echelon people, has a simple fruit (ala Luffy's rubber fruit). It was said in the past that it did not matter what fruit you posses, all were powerful as long as you mastered said fruit, yet all the top level people seem to have broken fruits. So, wouldn't it be cool for one of the top to have something simplistic rather than something over-the-top?
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2009-12-04, 12:54 | Link #95 |
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^I talked about this in the Haki thread, but I always imagined that Haki dealt with domination (a literal force of will that can "consume" an opponent), whilst "breath" dealt with a harmony of sorts brought about by internal neutralization (think how in Evangelion the various Evas had to use their AT Fields not to pierce the angels AT Fields (though I think this is also done a few times in the series), but rather to neutralize them via destructive interference) rather than external (i.e. a DF's natural weakness is actually a neutralizing factor).
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BTW, Is hihgly possible that Mihawk used Haki against Don Krieg fleet. These manners are awfully familiar.
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Lol everybody in OP can harm Logias by that logic. Quote:
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Yes, is possible. Going back to the real point, you failed to provide any proof to validate as a fact that Mihawk can’t harm loggias.
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2009-12-04, 14:12 | Link #100 |
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Usopp and Nami's exemple are the proof, you say that they will be able to use Haki but the fact is that they can't use it now.
The same goes for Mihawk. Besides you have no proof whatsoever that Mihawk can use it, so there is more proof that he can't instead of that he can use it. |
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