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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 04 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 43 | 14.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 12 | 4.15% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 25 | 8.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 42 | 14.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 26 | 9.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 13 | 4.50% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 19 | 6.57% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 16 | 5.54% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 8 | 2.77% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 85 | 29.41% | |
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2009-07-03, 08:32 | Link #262 | |||
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
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Haruhi Suzumiya has a great story, and complex characters, that's why I like it. Second, I like all the physics and mathematical references- since I am in a mathematics heavy field, and physics was my first love in school. However, I also like clever methods of telling a story. For this reason I was impressed by the idea of having one episode to tell the story of Endless Eight straight, and then a second episode to show failure, and a third episode to give the conclusion. It felt good, and I was impressed by the artistic nature of such a method. A fourth episode inserted to show another failure? I find it unnecessary. I already know the story, and there are no new physics theories to distract me. That left the characters and the execution of the telling of the story. I'm willing to watch a show that repeats a good story- if the execution is well done. But this iteration the execution was terrible. The animation was far poorer than last weeks, the comparison is striking if you watch them back to back. Now I actually liked K-On- but Haruhi is not K-On and you can't treat Haruhi like K-On, or animate it like K-On. It just doesn't work. Well at least I can enjoy the characters right? Except no, I can't, because the characters seemed like superficial caricatures of themselves instead of the usual complexity. It's like the characters were... I don't know, playing some set role rather than being individuals in a story. The only reason it got a 4 from me instead of a 1 is because of the boldness of doing this (a repeat of the bad ending), and because I thought some of the attempts to invoke deja vu were interesting, and would have been effective if they had been executed right. Which they weren't. Quote:
A far more interesting question in my mind is: Did this week's episode director have anything to do with Haruhi in the first season? Because, to quote myself, this is my summary of what is seriously wrong with this episode: Quote:
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2009-07-03, 08:37 | Link #264 | |
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In fact I was expecting that to be one of the differences this episode, was for Kyon to discover exactly how many times they had repeated the loop. I thought that would be a way to add greater despair and gravity to the situation. |
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2009-07-03, 08:39 | Link #265 | |
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2009-07-03, 08:41 | Link #266 |
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I really enjoyed this. I wasn't planning on picking up this till a few more episodes pasted but after I heard what they did I decided to check it out.
There was a lot of subtle differences between the episodes. Them wearing different clothing, buying different yukata's, standing in different places and sitting in different seats. It gave you a sense of them striving unconsciously to find change in an unchanging world. You have to wonder about Nagato too as she too seemed to be craving this change. How many different masks do you think she has bought? We have people in this thread whining like a 5 year old after watching a similar episode 3 times but Nagato has watched it 15499 times. It really drives the point home. I don't think 2 episodes or 3 would have made the viewer appreciate the message the show was going for. Some people won't appreciate it at all and others won't even get it to begin with. Few others animes would have the courage to do this but Haruhi is so popular it can afford to take risks. I think it's fairly interesting and original. Most times when people complain about a show being cliche they just complaining that they actually wanted a different cliche to happen. Here we are presented a fairly original approach and people are throwing a tantrum. It just goes to show people actually want cliches not matter how much they profess they want originality. Originality is a bigger risk because you don't know how people will take it.
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2009-07-03, 09:35 | Link #269 | |
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2009-07-03, 09:47 | Link #270 |
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Oh man, KyoAni, I don't know if I love you or hate you. Right now, I think I love hating you.
This is some serious balls. They redrew everything; all this hard work is for the same episode just to drive Yuki's despair into us. That's hardcore. I'll probably laugh this off once it's over. This is genius. Evil genius. |
2009-07-03, 09:55 | Link #271 |
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After thinking about it, much of our anxiety, and despair at seeing kyon fail comes from having to wait a week between episodes, I this arc would have a slightly less of an effect, if it was watched by a first time viewer, the whole arc in one go. I'm going to test this theory once the arc is complete, by watching this arc over with my sister who hasn't seen this arc yet, except for the first part.
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2009-07-03, 10:53 | Link #272 |
I don't give a damn, dude
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Episode [whatever] article is up:
[RIUVA] Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (2009), Episode 14: Endless Eight If I were to consider this episode in its own right? Probably a 6/10. If I were to consider this episode as a statement of intent? 15,499/10 for sheer balls, no doubt about it. |
2009-07-03, 11:31 | Link #277 | |
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We got that Yuki is bored out of her mind from episode 3, and that Kyon is sympathetic to her plight, but he hardly does much to ask so much as how she's handling, like "hey, can I do anything for you?" or just spontaneously do something nice to alleviate her despair etc... Perhaps such as insisting he pay for the mask for Yuki, and then grow on that direction like a chia pet. Maybe Kyon should actually TRY Itsuki's suggestion, novel readers and general Haruhi fans would go ballistic with excitement! So much potential for new and advancing directions for the characters and the series, but we got a repeat of episode 3. Same insights, same events. |
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2009-07-03, 11:35 | Link #278 |
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You're right, he cuts her off before she can continue to that part. I had reread that portion of the story recently and I guess I inserted it in. That said, the end where he goes on about the "Deja Vu, more intense than before" when he's panicking about letting her leave pretty well serves to tell us that he's figured this out before, doesn't it?
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2009-07-03, 11:56 | Link #279 |
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It's really surprising that there are people saying this is bold and experimental, and even that KyoAn was being "courageous". I understand your line of reasoning---the viewer's frustration is the character's frustration. I won't argue authorial (as in Tanigawa's) intent here, since that's apparently not important. But I will ask, is the alternate that KyoAn has given us more interesting because it isn't what we expected? Granted, if it had been three episodes, I might have thought it so, since it would have been three somewhat distinct episodes, the first being the first iteration, the second being representative of all those in between, and the final one granting release. But no matter how you look at it, this is the same episode as the last, with different angles and costumes. Kyon's frustration and anxiety is at exactly the same level. If, when this arc is over, one went back and rewatched the episodes while omitting either this one or the last, would anything really be lost?
Finally, although I admit there are people who will post things like "wtf kyoani? epic troll is epic," I don't think it's fair to characterize anyone who finds this experiment in story pacing to be less than an artistic success as whining five-year-olds. Like I said, I can understand why KyoAni did this and I can understand why some people might like it, I just don't. |
2009-07-03, 12:00 | Link #280 | |
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