2009-05-15, 08:38 | Link #19181 |
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bladeofdarkness, I'm not interpreting anything, you're missing the whole bloody point entirely.
Kid Ying and Levy seem to get it. Thanks you two. Also this: is really true, and people should consider this sort of thing more often. I don't know if Blade realizes it but he's debating a one-sided debate that has no point or merit whatsoever. I don't hate Kallen, I didn't judge her, I just didn't enjoy her role.
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2009-05-15, 08:39 | Link #19182 |
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Hey, hey, let's relax and review the situation: Okay, C.C said she know why Kallen did those things in the series, but she just didn't liked. That's it. There's nothing against this, even if Stephen Hawking said that Kallen made the right decision by the laws of physics, it's not going to make her like what Kallen did. It's an opinion, the only person that can change it it's the owner itself.
So, let's grab a meal, call it a day and go home, there's nothing more to see here. |
2009-05-15, 08:41 | Link #19183 | ||
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THATS an opinion but you instead chose to say Quote:
and i'm well within my rights to call you out on that
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2009-05-15, 08:44 | Link #19184 | |
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Just saying, it does seem a bit obstinate to basically say that you have considered something and it doesn't matter so don't even talk about it. Who knows, it may not change your mind about that character, but it may change how you look at some of the scenes. edit @bladeofdarkness You know, sometimes people can be antagonistic unintentionally, not saying you are or aren't but maybe you can tone it down a bit. We do not want this to devolve into a shouting match and have this be a drag for everyone. |
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2009-05-15, 08:52 | Link #19185 | |
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No, because if you read the sentence you just quoted you'll take note of the use of "seemingly".
Seemingly [dict] –adjective"appearing, whether truly or falsely" - meaning that in my opinion, that's what it looked like Kallen was doing, even if it wasn't. Quote:
This isn't about Kallen. I was participating in the discussion of her fandom rather than the discussion of her character. But thank you for being mature about it.
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2009-05-15, 08:54 | Link #19186 |
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@demon-god
i admit that i may be abit more agressive/offensive then i mean to be but the point i am trying to get across is that opinions cant be challanged but interpretations can be and if the interpretaion is a basiclly flawed one then the opinion that its based on can be challanged as well if i said "i hated suzaku" then its my opinion and right if i said "i hated suzaku becouse he forced lelouch to go through with ZERO-R so he can murder him" then its a basiclly wrongful interpretaion of the events of ZERO-R and if i post such a statement in the suzaku thread i would get jumped on by just about everyone there for making such a wrongful accusetion against him same deal here i am not challanging CC's opinion i am challanging the accusation that she is basing that opinion on @CC at what point was there ever a time during which kallen was shown to listen to anyone else's opinion about lelouch ? at what point was she shown to receive evidence that lelouch is a bastard from another character and then said "you know what, your right, screw lelouch" ? the only person who gives her any other sort of evidence of lelouch's being evil, is LELOUCH HIMSELF she "seemingly" did that, only to you
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2009-05-15, 08:57 | Link #19187 | |
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I am not trying to change your opinion, but if I were in your stead, I'd be more pissed at the scripters being shit at their jobs and requiring explanations to get their point across, then I would be at the character itself for flopping around. Most certainly some of her actions do come off as bullshit to her character, but once everything gets explainined MUCH later on, the pieces MOSTLY fall back into place. I won't argue that she was handled poorly, but I am of the opinion that everyone was handled poorly, even Lelouch with his lol-plan. |
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2009-05-15, 09:05 | Link #19189 | |
I change anime endings.
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There're a lot of way and possible endings with the same final result (or similar). |
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2009-05-15, 09:06 | Link #19190 | |
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good call i'm leaving then (dont want to get this thread shut down too)
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2009-05-15, 09:08 | Link #19191 | |
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But I didn't base an opinion off of what you're discussing. I said I was unhappy with it. I'm not even sure what you're going on about anymore since you keep changing what you say, and clearly no matter what I say or how many times I say it, you don't get it. ( ´∀`)
Oh, no. I agree with you entirely. R2 was an incredible mess, and most everyone realizes this by now (or so I hope). That's part of why I don't hate Kallen, I really enjoyed her character throughout S1 when things were still done properly. Quote:
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2009-05-15, 09:14 | Link #19193 |
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*looks at Kid Ying* THEY EXIST!!!
Definitely, the people who seem to like R2 more then the first season seem to be in the minority. It is just how they handled the characters and story that got people riled up. |
2009-05-15, 09:19 | Link #19194 |
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Hmm, there's a difference between enjoyment and quality. That's all. R2 was pathetic in terms of how it was handled, but I sure as hell enjoyed it, probably more than the first season. Everything about it was pretty fun at the time.
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2009-05-15, 09:28 | Link #19195 |
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Minority? I feel like i'm Will Smith in I am legend.
I think very few people knew of my dirty little secret. It's just that i think R2 was more exciting for me, a lot of plot twists(i LOVE IT) and even more mecha fights, yeah. Even the embarassing moments in R2 are not that bad for me, like everyone cosplaying Zero. It's positively retarded, but at the time, it worked for me. So, i like R2 because it was a big trainwreck, hehe. I took me over a month to watch the first season, it didn't get me that hooked at all, but with R2, i watched like my life depended on it. About character development... Well, nothing is perfect. |
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Anyhow, I agree with Frostfire that the last half a dozen or so episodes were clearly a rush job which messed up the characterization of...every character, except Lelouch, who we saw too much of in the end. Ah, endings, who needs them. I'll just be pretend Code Geass never ended and stalled at episode 19 or something. Good anime. |
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2009-05-15, 09:42 | Link #19198 | |
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way too rushed
but there were basiclly problems from the start also posted on the general thread Quote:
but there were plenty of problems with it and if i have to name just one thing about it that perfectly shows the flaws in as concentrated a way as i can one thing that is the perfect example of R2's flaws as a whole (not simply the last arc when everything was too rushed) i would have to say its anya not even her actual character, simply her existance in the first season the britannian army was presented as a wholy believeable concept it was full of big old tough manly man character that gave the whole thing an air of realisem most of the soldiers were men with characters like jeremia darlton and gillford (who look like a career soldier should) and the few exceptions to that rule like cornellia and villeta i could excuse becouse they were both a)well into their twenties b)properlly dressed as befiting a soldier of their class c)had an air of dignaty respect and professionalisem d)were shown to be perfectlly capable of matching it with the guys (cornellia is one of the best pilots in the CG verse) on the other side of the board you have chiba who is also well into her 20's or even 30's and also looks like a professional soldier would (short hair and always in uniform that looks like an actual uniform) the only exception to that rule is kallen and even she is at least 18 not an actual part of any real army and hence has no uniform at first and once the OOBK becomes one, she gets a piloting suit that looks like a real piloting suit AND a real uniform (the thigh highs and hot pants are becosue ALL female black knight uniforms are either a hot pants or a skirt) then season 2 comes along and you get a pink haird 15 year old loli piloting a supermachine that handles like it berly even needs a pilot and wearing what would be more fittingly named a bathing suit rather then a piloting suit she is far too young to have any real experiance on any battlefield that would enable her to prove herself to the degree that would get her a spot on the most elite fighting force in britannia (considering that she could have only gotten the mordead recently, can you picture her in a glocetter) she borders on being incompitent (she gets disabled or otherwise put out of comission in every battle she figts) and she is so thick headed and clueless that she deplyed her mecha for a stupid school cupid chase and almost killed sheirly with it her entire presence could best be summerised by some of the writters saying "otaku like lollis, so lets throw one in" and that is to me one of the things that went wrong in season 2 the writers thinking "what do otaku's like" and basing deceitons on that
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2009-05-15, 09:53 | Link #19199 |
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Ah, i forgot to say that i even started to really like Kallen in R2. My opinion is the opposite fo C.C's one(okay, not totally, but sort of). In the season 1, i thought Kallen was nice, in every aspect, nice look, nice fighter, nice girl... So i started to liking her, but she was too loyal and Lelouch didn't show much caring to her, i don't know, i never really liked that. It reminded me of(oh god, help me) Misa Amane from Death Note. Of course Kallen(and any possible character) is way better than that retarded girl, but...
With R2, the fact that she now question herself about Zero, that she start to thinking and developing real emotions for Lelouch, man, that was totally awesome(even better is that Lelouch now shows that he really care about her, so it's not like she's following a guy who could care less about her safety). I really loved how she was portrayed in R2. |
2009-05-15, 09:58 | Link #19200 |
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R2 being kallen's time to shine was one of the best aspects about it
its why i liked it its why kallen's my fav character (other then lelouch) and its why i'm a kalulu fan (i used to be cluclu in season 1)
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