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Last Sinner · 2022-09-13, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Tokiko with her eyes open is pure sex.

Her eyes during 22 remind me of Neko Musume from the most recent version of Gegege no Kitaro.

Kanon · 2022-09-16, 09:22

Spoiler for 23:

j4c06 · 2022-09-16, 16:54

Ep 23 felt too short again. Is the next one the last? Too bad they aren't spending more time in this surreal place.

Isn't it strange that the land of the dead is always depicted as lacking substance

Nachtwandler · 2022-09-16, 17:28

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Originally Posted by j4c06

Ep 23 felt too short again. Is the next one the last? Too bad they aren't spending more time in this surreal place.

Isn't it strange that the land of the dead is always depicted as lacking substance

Nah. There are 2 episodes left.

serenade_beta · 2022-09-16, 21:44

I honestly don't know what to think about this land-of-the-dead arc, but whatever. Only two episodes left anyways.

SeijiSensei · 2022-09-17, 09:48

I was surprised by the arrival of the B-29s.

Last Sinner · 2022-09-18, 07:10

Well, that's definitely a boss way to confess. And a cute acceptance. Right before they go off to heck, heh.

Shide certainly did everything he could to stack the deck in his favour by forcing them to Tokoyo where he has nullified Ryunnosuke's advantage. But Ushio has clearly evolved more than he had anticipated. That opportunistic stab that killed her previously can't be replicated. Then again, all he wants is the end and for everyone else to be consumed by it too. Living that long has left him this way. Whether there's any semblance of a justified reason is yet to be seen, but knowing him, he's probably being a selfish prick.

And there is a bit of salvation in the works. A differentiation between Haine and Hiruko is now established. They are not one and the same. Haine doesn't want what is happening. I doubt Haine has had any semblance of free will for a long time aside from flashes when she interacted with Hizuru. Whether people deem her worthy of salvation is another question. But she certainly gave Shinpei and Ushio a good shot at victory.

By the effects that Tokoyo is having on Shinpei and Ushio, it's not a place they can stay in for long, so it makes sense that it the time spent there isn't that long. It may feel somewhat abrupt but the fact is those characters have been through a heck of a lot. The good side was teetering on the edge and barely managed to get momentum back in their favour. But in all honesty, isn't that one of Tanaka's main points? Life is short, live it to the fullest without regrets? Seems in line with Tanaka's mentality throughout the whole title.

Visually, the B-29 scene was just wild. Watanabe didn't have that many panels in the manga to work with, but like previous battles, he's nailed how to make it work. Revel in some grandiose moments but don't fight forever. Make the counter moments have impact but don't stretch them out. Ushio leaping from bomb to bomb is another stellar motion sequence. That citrus fruit shot shortly after Shinpei arrived in that realm was another striking shot that has become a bit of a trademark in this adaptation of having a gorgeous close-up still from nearby surroundings while dialogue is occurring.

Final fight time. It shall be epic.

Cosmic Eagle · 2022-09-18, 10:03

The final arc here should be renamed "nihilistically depressed 1980s era gamer lives out his boss villian fantasy"

Haine was pure love here. That Shana voice sure brings back memories

Kanon · 2022-09-18, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Well, that's definitely a boss way to confess. And a cute acceptance. Right before they go off to heck, heh.

Shide certainly did everything he could to stack the deck in his favour by forcing them to Tokoyo where he has nullified Ryunnosuke's advantage. But Ushio has clearly evolved more than he had anticipated. That opportunistic stab that killed her previously can't be replicated. Then again, all he wants is the end and for everyone else to be consumed by it too. Living that long has left him this way. Whether there's any semblance of a justified reason is yet to be seen, but knowing him, he's probably being a selfish prick.

He can't live forever anymore so he just wants to take everyone down with him. I doubt there is more to it than that.

SeijiSensei · 2022-09-19, 10:13

Honestly, those kinds of motivations are just stupid and appear far too frequently in anime. Every time I hear a villain talk about destroying or taking over the world, I just roll my eyes.

Last Sinner · 2022-09-19, 16:11

You'd be surprised how many people actually do want that. A lot of people would rather see the world burn/people suffer than try to do some good.

You know what makes my eyes roll every time I see it? Fighting forever. A female saying to the male MC in the first episode she's into him just because. High school (and that it's the best time of our lives). Life's too hard, time to permanently rack off to some fantasy land. Animation is for kids.

Kanon · 2022-09-19, 18:15

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Honestly, those kinds of motivations are just stupid and appear far too frequently in anime. Every time I hear a villain talk about destroying or taking over the world, I just roll my eyes.

Wanting to take over the world does make me roll my eyes, because most of the time I really can't picture that kind of villain spending most of his time doing paperwork, which is what would ultimately happen if they successfully accomplished their goal.

Wanting to destroy the world on the other hand strikes me as a perfectly fine villainous motive. Incidentally, the currently airing Hoshi no Samidare is doing some kind of deconstruction of that, by having the heroine strive to destroy the world because she loves it.

Last Sinner · 2022-09-20, 01:31

Revenge/despair villains can be some of the most interesting. Enforcing one's will on 9 billion people seems to be a heck of a reach in relative terms.

Shide is a despair villain. He has only ever cared for himself and only how to perpetuate his existence. He's nothing special and that is the point. If your heroes are people living life to the fullest against the odds, a villain who despises life aside from his own and gets nothing from it is the complete opposite. I don't think a likeable/relatable/unique villain would do Tanaka's message any good. And for his own ends, being relatively forgettable is suitable since it means he likely wouldn't be found out.

serenade_beta · 2022-09-20, 16:00

He's boring. And that's what matters.

EroKing · 2022-09-23, 02:17

Summertime Rendering. Fully satisfied to how the fight concluded. Shinpei and Ushio rewriting history by erasing Hiruko from the past. Going to be extra sweet seeing Ushio alive again

Nice point of time to return to...

grecefar · 2022-09-23, 10:55

If there is no hiruko then there are no shadows, if story is rewrited and hizuru is alive again (I knew she will be back), then ushio, ryuunosuke and the others are alive too, maybe.

I think there will be shennanigans or something, I can't believe in a 24 minutes happy ending lol.

j4c06 · 2022-09-23, 16:02

The power of love, yay!

SeijiSensei · 2022-09-23, 17:59

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Honestly, those kinds of motivations are just stupid and appear far too frequently in anime. Every time I hear a villain talk about destroying or taking over the world, I just roll my eyes.

From Enzo's blog (https://lostinanime.com/2022/09/summertime-render-24/)

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I saw some grousing about his motivation in certain circles, but it kind of makes sense for me. He’s completely driven by ego. He hung around for 326 years by switching bodies, hoping to live effectively forever and see the end of all things. When he realized that wasn’t going to be possible thanks to Hiruko, he decided to just move the end up to this lifetime so he could see it anyway. If I can’t live no one else should be able to either, in effect. That’s pretty solid villainy to me.

If we had learned this explanation for his actions last week, I wouldn't have been so critical.

Kanon · 2022-09-23, 18:27

They ended the episode at the perfect spot. You can make your own loop if you wish by never watching the final episode and starting over with the first one. The animation mistake they made even helps. It'd be a shame to miss the epilogue though. Really looking forward to it since they're probably going to expend on it.

I thought it wasn't clear enough in the anime so just to clarify: the scene with the phone recording is actually Ushio recording the scrambled message Hizuru received prior to the beginning of the series. No loose ends.

j4c06 · 2022-09-24, 03:45

It is funny how the guy is 300+ years old but explains his actions in terms of a game console. What age group is it aimed at?

2022-09-16, 09:22	Link #222
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Spoiler for 23: Shide is such a heartless bastard. Despite all the decades they spent together and everything she did for him, he holds no affection for Hiruko and doesn't hesitate to use her as a tool. Loli Ushio looked like her normal self in some shots. It was weird. __________________

2022-09-16, 21:44	Link #225
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	I honestly don't know what to think about this land-of-the-dead arc, but whatever. Only two episodes left anyways. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2022-09-17, 09:48	Link #226
SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	I was surprised by the arrival of the B-29s. __________________ Taking Anime Seriously - Politics by the Numbers - Sports by the Numbers - MAL List - Avatars - Images

2022-09-18, 07:10	Link #227
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Well, that's definitely a boss way to confess. And a cute acceptance. Right before they go off to heck, heh. Shide certainly did everything he could to stack the deck in his favour by forcing them to Tokoyo where he has nullified Ryunnosuke's advantage. But Ushio has clearly evolved more than he had anticipated. That opportunistic stab that killed her previously can't be replicated. Then again, all he wants is the end and for everyone else to be consumed by it too. Living that long has left him this way. Whether there's any semblance of a justified reason is yet to be seen, but knowing him, he's probably being a selfish prick. And there is a bit of salvation in the works. A differentiation between Haine and Hiruko is now established. They are not one and the same. Haine doesn't want what is happening. I doubt Haine has had any semblance of free will for a long time aside from flashes when she interacted with Hizuru. Whether people deem her worthy of salvation is another question. But she certainly gave Shinpei and Ushio a good shot at victory. By the effects that Tokoyo is having on Shinpei and Ushio, it's not a place they can stay in for long, so it makes sense that it the time spent there isn't that long. It may feel somewhat abrupt but the fact is those characters have been through a heck of a lot. The good side was teetering on the edge and barely managed to get momentum back in their favour. But in all honesty, isn't that one of Tanaka's main points? Life is short, live it to the fullest without regrets? Seems in line with Tanaka's mentality throughout the whole title. Visually, the B-29 scene was just wild. Watanabe didn't have that many panels in the manga to work with, but like previous battles, he's nailed how to make it work. Revel in some grandiose moments but don't fight forever. Make the counter moments have impact but don't stretch them out. Ushio leaping from bomb to bomb is another stellar motion sequence. That citrus fruit shot shortly after Shinpei arrived in that realm was another striking shot that has become a bit of a trademark in this adaptation of having a gorgeous close-up still from nearby surroundings while dialogue is occurring. Final fight time. It shall be epic. __________________

2022-09-18, 10:03	Link #228
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	The final arc here should be renamed "nihilistically depressed 1980s era gamer lives out his boss villian fantasy" Haine was pure love here. That Shana voice sure brings back memories __________________

2022-09-16, 16:54	Link #223
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Ep 23 felt too short again. Is the next one the last? Too bad they aren't spending more time in this surreal place. Isn't it strange that the land of the dead is always depicted as lacking substance

2022-09-19, 10:13	Link #230
SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	Honestly, those kinds of motivations are just stupid and appear far too frequently in anime. Every time I hear a villain talk about destroying or taking over the world, I just roll my eyes. __________________ Taking Anime Seriously - Politics by the Numbers - Sports by the Numbers - MAL List - Avatars - Images

2022-09-19, 16:11	Link #231
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	You'd be surprised how many people actually do want that. A lot of people would rather see the world burn/people suffer than try to do some good. You know what makes my eyes roll every time I see it? Fighting forever. A female saying to the male MC in the first episode she's into him just because. High school (and that it's the best time of our lives). Life's too hard, time to permanently rack off to some fantasy land. Animation is for kids. __________________

2022-09-20, 01:31	Link #233
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Revenge/despair villains can be some of the most interesting. Enforcing one's will on 9 billion people seems to be a heck of a reach in relative terms. Shide is a despair villain. He has only ever cared for himself and only how to perpetuate his existence. He's nothing special and that is the point. If your heroes are people living life to the fullest against the odds, a villain who despises life aside from his own and gets nothing from it is the complete opposite. I don't think a likeable/relatable/unique villain would do Tanaka's message any good. And for his own ends, being relatively forgettable is suitable since it means he likely wouldn't be found out. __________________

2022-09-20, 16:00	Link #234
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	He's boring. And that's what matters. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2022-09-23, 02:17	Link #235
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	Episode 24 Summertime Rendering. Fully satisfied to how the fight concluded. Shinpei and Ushio rewriting history by erasing Hiruko from the past. Going to be extra sweet seeing Ushio alive again Nice point of time to return to... __________________ Last edited by EroKing; 2023-11-13 at 08:35.

2022-09-23, 10:55	Link #236
grecefar Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Blue Notes Blues	If there is no hiruko then there are no shadows, if story is rewrited and hizuru is alive again (I knew she will be back), then ushio, ryuunosuke and the others are alive too, maybe. I think there will be shennanigans or something, I can't believe in a 24 minutes happy ending lol.

2022-09-23, 16:02	Link #237
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	The power of love, yay!

2022-09-23, 18:27	Link #239
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	They ended the episode at the perfect spot. You can make your own loop if you wish by never watching the final episode and starting over with the first one. The animation mistake they made even helps. It'd be a shame to miss the epilogue though. Really looking forward to it since they're probably going to expend on it. I thought it wasn't clear enough in the anime so just to clarify: the scene with the phone recording is actually Ushio recording the scrambled message Hizuru received prior to the beginning of the series. No loose ends. __________________

2022-09-24, 03:45	Link #240
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	It is funny how the guy is 300+ years old but explains his actions in terms of a game console. What age group is it aimed at?