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2009-07-20, 16:07 | Link #1763 | |
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I would chalk it up to maybe a maternal instinct, after all he even describes Ranka as a fool in the first episode. basically, she being so prone to doing something foolish, at that point in the Anime. Last edited by Foreshadow; 2009-07-20 at 16:32. |
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2009-07-20, 16:30 | Link #1764 | |
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And while I see her as ultimately self-centered ( and really not having become better even in the end ), Ranka is otherwise a sweet girl, nice to others, endearing in her naivité. If IŽd meet her in real life, IŽd like her quite much, I am sure, and would try befriend her. I got myself a bit of protector complex, so I can understand Altos reaction quite well. It is only under the microscope of this series that Rankas faults become an issue. If you are competing for someone, but donŽt care to get to know that person, instead only assuming that the desires you project unto him are correct, you are bound to experience grave disappointment. Sheryl was coming at Alto from much more realistic expectations, which is why she ended up ahead of Ranka in the end. And of course there are the other issues her being so self-centered bring up, but that is a discussion for another day. Unless someone wants to continue down this alley...
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The argument here is that she had options, but the best option she attained was through impulse by braving the Vajra home world with... two people. Not very convincing to me that she done the best she could. Quote:
2nd, if you killed someone while DUI, you will still be charged with murder even w/out being willing. Putting oneself in a character's shoes is one thing, but please have some common sense. Regardless of she being a willing participant or not, the fact is, millions died with their last memory being Ranka directing a fleet of Vajra tearing them to shreds. Why don't you also put yourself in their shoes? Quote:
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The only proper channel was through Leon, who was then de-facto dictator of Frontier and was conspiring with SMS' owner. Moreover, NUNS command means heading back to Earth, which also means excessive delays. Assuming they chose the latter option, what would have been available as a transport? Sure, they could hijack fighters but it wouldn't get them very far. So, as military men, they planned and organized an escape while ensuring they had backup (Macross 1/4). The point? They exercised their options and came up with a proper plan. Quote:
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2009-07-20, 19:01 | Link #1766 | |
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The competetion for Alto is already unbalanced from the beginning just comparing their behavior and their characteristics Sheryl is already far in advance. She knows how to approach the other sex and also she knows what she wants. Ranka in comparison does not know that and is just about to start to feel her desires. Unequal if you ask me. Also what should not be ignored is that one sided love can fail at the end but it depends on how dull or sensitive the desired person is.
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2009-07-20, 19:17 | Link #1767 | |
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2009-07-20, 19:30 | Link #1769 | |
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And I think if he had merely felt like he had to protect her, he would've gotten tired of that long before the end of the series. Of course, no matter what, he would've saved her in episode 25...but before she left Frontier, they were still hanging out, doing things...being friends. |
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The Ranka we meet at the beginning of the series is shy, lacks self-confidence, doesn't seem to have much direction, and has been sheltered her whole life. The Ranka we see at the end is confident, outgoing, and unafraid to risk life and limb for what she wants and what she believes in... kinda like a certain other pop star... Nope, no growth.... Last edited by Snowblind; 2009-07-20 at 22:01. |
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The translation I have says he joined in order to protect Ranka, plain and simple. Quote:
Does she have moments of self-centredness? Sure. It's only human. Most characters in the series have several such moments. Quote:
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Ranka makes a point very early on that one of the reasons she likes Alto is that he listens to her. That can mean a lot to someone. Bring them up if you want to. I'm sure trying to say anything to the contrary will be like talking to a wall, but... |
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But that didn't stop it from being all Ranka's fault earlier? Quote:
Second of all... that analogy doesn't hold water at all. DUI shows willful neglect in getting intoxicated and then getting behind the wheel... Extremely different from getting kidnapped and then hypnotized (or brainwashed or whatever else you want to call it... it's clear that she was acting under Grace's influence, not her own) Quote:
Regardless of what their last memory was, it wasn't what happened, and for the survivors, hindsight would clear Ranka. You, as an outside viewer are privy to the full course of events. You've seen the Vajra attack to protect their homeworld before Ranka was involved. You've seen Leon and NUNS planning for the battle knowing full well that they're initiating combat. You know that people will die in said combat. So again, how is this actually Ranka's fault, when events would have played out more or less the same without her being there? Quote:
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Again, my point is that the Vajra will defend their homeworld regardless of whether Ranka was there or not, and thus there would have been combat, and people would have died. That much is obvious, no? |
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On the other hand, Sheryl would have known seeing how both individuals are in the entertainment business. But this is besides the point. The fact is, it was not until episode 21 when Ranka finally asked Alto why he wanted to fly. Prior to that, Ranka never asked Alto anything about him. When Alto and Ranka were together, we hear Ranka talk about herself... well, all the time. Quote:
Never mind that the only thing notable about Ranka aside from the singing in episode 25 was "rescue me!" The Ranka we met in the beginning claimed that she wanted to sing because she wanted others to know about her existence. At the end, we met a Ranka who wanted to sing for... one person. Growth? Yeah... - Tak
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Yep, it sure is! Thanks for agreeing. |
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And so what if she does? Teenage girls do that (as do older ones if experience has taught me anything). O.o Quote:
Ranka: I'm surprised. I didn't know Alto-kun was the successor of a Kabuki family... There's no indication that Sheryl told her anything beyond saying that she already knew. Quote:
And what sort of situations beyond the opening episode or two does Ranka 'get herself into unconsciously?'? Refer to my answer. |
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I will retort to that later, As i am too lazy to type another one of these currently. |
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2009-07-20, 23:02 | Link #1779 |
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Y'know...it kinda sounds to me like everyone decided they hated Ranka, and then scrutinized everything she did in the absolute worst possible light they could.
This is not a discussion, this is just a reiteration of points the Ranka-Haters have agreed on. It's like talking to a group of Fundamentalists. As such, I'm done. |
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