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[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

oh sure it is was for the greater good of the chinese communist party but what has that to do with the people of China? Unless you think killing of hunger (a truly slow and horrible form to die) poor Chinese farmers was for the good of the Chinese people.

Same thing.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Same thing.

so is your opinion a Murder+rapist is no different then a drunk driver who killed someone?

[Fireminer]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

oh sure it is was for the greater good of Japan but what has that to do with China? Unless you think dissecting poor Chinese farmers alive was for the good of the Chinese people.

No, it's not the poor Chinese farmers that got dissected, but Chinese Farmers dissected higher class people: Landlords, feudal officials, people have ties with Kuomintang, and anyone who don't agree to Mao, which mostly were intellectuals.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

so is your opinion a Murder+rapist is no different then a drunk driver who killed someone?

False analogy. A murder+rapist kills of his own free will. A drunk driver kills are not due to his free will, but to the effects excess alchohol in the blood stream has on the brain sensory and motor skills.

Both the chinese goverment and the japanese goverment acted out of self interest (pursuing the agenda that they thought would benefit the ruling party and country, in that order). The japanese goverment knew they would kill millions of chinese. Mao's regime did NOTHING to prevent the death by hunger (hint, it is one of the slowest ways to die, even slower than death by lack of water) of millions of chinese.

The motivation and the results were the same, ergo, same thing.

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

From my point of view, The Japanese goverment invaded China because they thought it was for the greater good (and from a japanese economical perspective, it probably was). The Mao regime implemented agricultural procedures that killed millions of people because they thought they were doing the greater good. In the end there is no diference, all goverments will do the worst atrocities ALWAYS citing the greater good as the reason, no one will say "Hey, we are evil, let's do some killing!"

Yea, even Hitler and co. convinced themselves it's for the greater good to exterminate the Jewish.

The worst crimes of humanity were committed not by the "pure evil", but by the foolish in the name of "greater good".

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

oh sure it is was for the greater good of Japan but what has that to do with China? Unless you think dissecting poor Chinese farmers alive was for the good of the Chinese people.

Similar to what happened in Germany, they convinced themselves they were the "master race". Thus, they believed they can govern the inferior others better than the inferior others for themselves.

[SaintessHeart]

China's 'left-behind' generation

But Chen, who once thought his home was a sleepy and safe place for his nine-year-old to grow up with her grandmother, had that belief shattered when he received pleas for help in November last year.

"She kept calling us, begging us to come home. She said she wasn't feeling well, that she was always feeling down, and that it hurt," Chen, who only gave his first name, told CNN by telephone from his hometown of Xiangxiang in central China's Hunan province.

"She said it hurt 'down there.' We knew instantly that things were not right."
With much coaxing and tears, his daughter finally told him what was wrong: She had been raped by her teacher.

Afterwards he gave her two new notebooks, Chen said.

She was one of the teacher's five alleged victims--all of whom were under 14 and went to the same school,state media reported.

This is totally decadent.

[Fireminer]

To shift our minds from a possible outburst:

The big Iraqi dinar conspiracy

[MrTerrorist]

Ill wind for Hong Kong's press freedom

Israeli-Palestinian cancer support group knocks down walls

[ganbaru]

Venezuela frees some student protesters, unrest continues
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1D19J20140215

Obama weighs in on contentious union vote at Volkswagen plant
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1D1DP20140214

[MrTerrorist]

Actress Ellen Page reveals she is gay to audience

Whoa. I didn't see that coming. Anyway, congrats to her for having the courage to reveal her sexuality.

[Fireminer]

An antheist meets an al-Shabab "recruiter"

A good article indeed. And it seems like in the end of a day, the question would always be: "What should we believe in?"

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

An antheist meets an al-Shabab "recruiter"

A good article indeed. And it seems like in the end of a day, the question would always be: "What should we believe in?"

The answer is "believe in what doesn't require you to believe in it".

Believe in what can survive on its own, and be tested. Believe in what can survive doubts and questioning. Believe in what is actually right, not what you want to believe in.

Because if you are scared of testing what you believe, you already lost.

[Fireminer]

@Vallen: Good! That is the nice answer. But for many people, "how could you question an existance that is far from you" is still a mystery. How could you test a God?

Gladly to say that being an antheist saves me from many paradox.

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

How could you test a God?

Well, back in the old days, there were these burning at stake things and tossing in river with weights things... XD

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

@Vallen: Good! That is the nice answer. But for many people, "how could you question an existance that is far from you" is still a mystery. How could you test a God?

Gladly to say that being an antheist saves me from many paradox.

If a deity has any effect on the human race, then it HAS to be detectable. Because anything that has no detectable effect, HAS NO EFFECT by definition.

Of course we can detect what is far from us. If we can't, then those far from us clearly aren't doing anything.

We can test any god. We do it all the time. The majority of the religious just don't believe in testing at all, because it is the exact inverse of faith that they value so much.

[SaintessHeart]

From that article, I can conclude that the world is made up of largely stupid people.

There is so much money to be made from selling arms to both sides and both have to choose to be a journalist and terrorist recruiter respectively.

And it is so much easier to further your agenda with money than with anything else. [/sarcasm]

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

An antheist meets an al-Shabab "recruiter"

A good article indeed. And it seems like in the end of a day, the question would always be: "What should we believe in?"

I really liked the counter by the journalist. How can the man expect other people to be open to his religion and his Koran when he himself is unable to even humour another person's beliefs? Such is the way of a radical: some may seem like understanding people but it's all a facade, they are completely closed off and will ignore any arguments. They follow a script, nothing more. It's a shame, some of them might even be intelligent people but they have become so consumed by their beliefs that such intelligence just disappears and they become unable to see their own hypocrisy on a mirror.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Obama weighs in on contentious union vote at Volkswagen plant
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1D1DP20140214

Don't get me wrong: Obama is still by far the lesser of the evils, but lately, he's been talking BS to a staggering degree. Either he is completely clueless, or - what's more likely - he's been consciously lying for populistic reasons.

Volkswagen was actively _supporting_ the implementation of work councils (which is the standard in Germany and has proven to be exceptionally helpful). Making it sound as if Volkswagen shareholders were trying to prevent them makes me seriously angry.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Don't get me wrong: Obama is still by far the lesser of the evils, but lately, he's been talking BS to a staggering degree. Either he is completely clueless, or - what's more likely - he's been consciously lying for populistic reasons.

Volkswagen was actively _supporting_ the implementation of work councils (which is the standard in Germany and has proven to be exceptionally helpful). Making it sound as if Volkswagen shareholders were trying to prevent them makes me seriously angry.

Are you talking about the shareholders in Europe or their shareholders in America?

It may be the same company, but given the location, interests may be held differently. HQ sees only profit alongside good corporate-social responsibility; while the local shareholders who inject capital into having the plant at their place to create jobs may think outside of the HQ's intentions.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Are you talking about the shareholders in Europe or their shareholders in America?

He was dissing the German shareholders. Volkswagen is a huge corporation which is mostly held by itself (Porsche Holding), the German state of Lower Saxony and Qatar.

It may be the same company, but given the location, interests may be held differently. HQ sees only profit alongside good corporate-social responsibility; while the local shareholders who inject capital into having the plant at their place to create jobs may think outside of the HQ's intentions.

*shakes head*

This was just populistic "evil foreign shareholders instead of good American workers" trash. Volkswagen was explicitly supporting the creations of work councils. In fact, the plant in the US is the single Volkswagen one _in the entire world_ without worker representation. The decision was met and reported with incredulous "WTF" reactions over here.