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Apparently, that is how Lelouch felt as well. Ironically enough though, the memories-erase-concept, totally backfired. |
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2009-05-28, 14:29 | Link #422 |
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it only backfired more then a YEAR later
during that year she was more or less happy when he actually DID the memory washing thing, she was about to have a mental breakdown which somewhat dictated his actions at the time
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2009-05-28, 14:36 | Link #423 | |
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I was mostly referring to the emotional-side of this, that triggered Lelouch to made her Geass-forget and how he had the best intentions about that. I was not really, referring to the technical-details. And you ask me, i think Shirley's "fake" happiness that year, could not match her death moment, where she told Lelouch he loved him. I believe, that was her happiest moment, as much as weird as this sounds. //though that fake happiness, is not diminished in any way, just in my mind, is steps back. |
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2009-05-28, 14:39 | Link #424 | |
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Well yeah, but Lelouch was MIA, or at least his wings had been clipped during that year. I have a feeling that something would have happened with Shirley much sooner if that hadn't happened. |
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2009-05-28, 14:39 | Link #425 |
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i suppose she kinda looked sorta happy in her dying moments, with what she told lelouch and all
though i certaintly wasnt happy about that scene just thinking about it still makes me pissed off at the rag basterd
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2009-05-28, 14:42 | Link #426 |
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Lol, i was not happy at all either, but i was talking about Shirley. I mean, i still believe her death scene could be orchestrated a bit better {mostly, with Innocent Days track, that would make it epic in my mind} but overall, it was a great one. Shirley, spending her last times, saying the things she did, was pure win.
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2009-05-28, 14:46 | Link #427 | |
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Well, I guess it's hard for me to say, but you're probably right that Shirley's death was her happiest moment, even if it was sad as all get out. She just wanted to help and be with the man she loved! Is that so wrong?! |
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2009-05-28, 14:53 | Link #428 | |
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That one sucked, just when she had reached her resolve and had taken certain initiatives, she gets shot. I mean, that one is on you Sunrise, that one is on you. 8D |
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2009-05-28, 15:15 | Link #429 | |
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Ugh, not only that, but there was practically no point to her death. Other than the folks at Sunrise's insistence that "boy, we can't let her achieve any sense of importance or fulfillment, so lets kill her off". One of these days Okouchi. One of these days. |
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2009-05-28, 15:17 | Link #430 | |
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I mean, if you look at it, from all the aspects, most of it will indeed give "no point." Well, other than that a lot of fans, were sad and stuff after Turn 13. Emotional-impact-point, but still. |
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2009-05-28, 15:53 | Link #431 |
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The saddest art to me about Shirley's death was that by making it so neatly mid-season, they basically made an in-series trope of Screw-Over-the-Carrot-Top-Mid-Way-Through (or Break the Cutie as has been said). Her death was still very tragic, but it depressed me even more in retrospect, since her character was made to seem more like a plot device this time, rather than a victim of Lelouch's desire for his own vengence.
While I don't have the episode on hand, I seem to recall one of the first things Shirley said to Lelouch in her death scene was "Lulu. I'm so happy that I could see you in the end." So yes, Shirley was a ray of optimism and hope, even in her dying moments. In reference to Lord Bear's fanfic, a problem with Shirley's Geass making simple illusions would be the issue of the illusion being videotaped. Lelouch dying in front of the eyes of the world wouldn't work, since everyone who was watching through a TV would see Zero run up to an empty throne and seemingly wave his sword in the air. A thought that might work, but would seem weirdly complex, would be that her Geass lets her "engrave" images into the collective unconcious i.e. the World of C. Basically she could make illusions that would exists in every person's mind for the rest of time, or until she herself died (probably the former, since Lelouch's Geass power clearly outlived him). If Shirley made an illusion of a blue rock, this rock would not be real or solid, but a person could believe they were holding it and moving it, and if someone put it on a table, and another person moved it to a chair, then the first person, and anyone who came into that room afterwards, would see the rock as being on the chair. Thinking about it, a Geass that I could see both Shirley and Kallen with would be Absolute Devotion. Essentially it would allow them to be instinctively aware of the locations of their loved ones regardless of distance (excuse me while I swoon), as well as a limited connection to their senses and possibly to their feelings and minds as well. |
2009-05-28, 16:05 | Link #432 | |
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And yeah, this is what she said to Lelouch, characteristic of her, even in the last moments. It really was a hit below the belt, considering all the crap she has gotten that epi, with her memories returning, and in the end, when she decides she is forgiving Lelouch and wants to assist him, an un-stable Rolo, starts shooting. Worse than Greek tragedy, honest. |
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2009-05-28, 18:13 | Link #433 |
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Welcome back Sky!
anyways, I also think Shirley was happy in that scene, being her optimistic self. She even said she was happy just because she got to be with Lelouch in the end...she also got to tell him how she felt, which meant a lot to her. The poor girl was so confused then, but she knew one thing for sure: She loved Lelouch, and she wanted to be truthful to him even when no one else would be. The only thing I wonder is how might she have felt to see him start to break down like he did? I could see that upsetting her...but she did manage to keep a smile on her face that whole time... Also, I dont know if this is true or not since I read it on Wikipedia......but apparently Shirley's design and name are references to Anne Shirley from the anime Anne of Green Gables. can anyone confirm this?
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2009-05-28, 18:25 | Link #434 | |
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2009-05-28, 19:06 | Link #435 | |
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to: and Kibo: Hope You know, one thing about Lelouch which irritated me was him trying to "save face" at all costs in public. If you don't stop to chew over his words carefully, they sounded as if they came from a bastard. If Shirley hit the jackpot, he would agree in his head, but the words coming out of his mouth would lead to a very different outcome.
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2009-05-28, 20:05 | Link #436 | |
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2009-05-28, 23:05 | Link #440 |
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I always associate Shirley with Bleach's Orihime. Hence, my slight interest in her having a Geass. Not to mention that Rukia had her damsel moments as well.
I'm willing to bet that even the sight of a bloodied Shirley (from her overworked Geass eye) would not get him to change the stuff that comes out of his trap. In fact, you can just imagine the "Silence!" that will come out when she tries to sway him.
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