2009-11-18, 03:55 | Link #261 |
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Maybe I am reading too much. But from the way Alister had described, I always feel Imagine Breaker works by "emiting" something to cancel out the paranormal. It does not neutralize it, not absorb it, but cancel them out with another force. In other words, Imagine Breaker's power is deteremined how much that soemthing is emited in a certain amount fo time, and paranormal effects more abundant than that soemthing is produced cannot be cancel out.
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2009-11-18, 09:11 | Link #262 | |
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2009-11-18, 15:51 | Link #263 |
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Canceling is close. Remember, psychic powers (and most likely magic too) are the users imagination made real. What imagine breaker does is break that imagination and return it back to no reality. It also fits with the 'I'll destroy that dream' trademark Touma line.
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2009-11-18, 19:36 | Link #264 | |
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chances are it's not an emission or else he wouldnt use the palm of his hand every time
if it was emission he could just as well just the back of his hand and achieve the same effect which we have not seen Quote:
touma cant cancel naturally occurring phenomenon even if powers assisted in creating it |
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2009-11-19, 03:43 | Link #268 | |
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As long as the object being manipulated is a direct effect (in other words, the casters imagination) he can stop it. |
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2009-11-19, 16:08 | Link #270 | |
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and in battle of touma vs accelerator. Accelerator attack by numbers like the pile of rocks and in the OP. He uses huge metal bars. Even if touma cancels a one or two with his right hand. The pure number will overwhelm him. And in case he cancels huge metal bars control over it. The initial force will still hurt him and accelerators ability is completely different. The effect only last by altering the direction. So Once altered the matter will follow that path and that's all. That's why in the battle of touma vs accelerator. The thing that touma can only do is avoid it and run from it. Unlike his previews battle and battle against biribiri which her whole ability is the production of her own attacks. Those huge lightning volts are directly affected by her power which results in total uselessness against touma. |
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2009-11-19, 16:57 | Link #271 | |
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That said, where has it been said that Accelerator's influence leaves the object as soon as it goes? I must have missed that... |
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2009-11-19, 17:15 | Link #272 |
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Hmmm... Perhaps if Touma negates a power, he negates all effects of that power?
Like with the Railgun the light show that goes along with it is probably Mikoto continuing to accelerate it to negate air resistance or something, thus Imagine Breaker comes in contact with that force and thus negates the momentum caused by that force, same with the Golem and the Water attack. But with Accelerator the vector is changed and that's the end of it, since the power is not continually applied he can't negate the power and thus can't negate momentum caused by the power. The issue with this though is I am not sure how to apply it to the explosion in the department store, so yeah. There is also the very likely "Crap Giant I-beams are coming towards me, and I don't know for sure if I can stop them, I'm not taking chances since I can just dodge them." possibility, which means he could have stopped them but didn't. |
2009-11-19, 17:26 | Link #273 |
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Psychic power is stated to make things happen.
If Accelerator's influence leaves the objects as soon as it goes, then the changed direction, caused by Accelerator, should cease to happen as soon as it goes. Last edited by eiyuu99; 2009-11-19 at 17:39. |
2009-11-19, 23:24 | Link #274 | ||
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if power A causes effect B then touma cant block B unless power A is required to sustain effect B, then he is able to return effect B to it's previous/original state in sasha's case, i'm pretty sure that magic is required to sustain and manipulate the water and that's why touma can negate the magic at point of contact in railgun's case, once the actual coin is shot, it's gone, the power has done it's deed and is in no way connected to its movement anymore after the initial acceleration, therefore it cannot be blocked and would be no different than him blocking a regular mechanical rail gun same with accelerator, it's like him just being really strong and kicking steal beams, it's already in the air, end of story, it falls under the jurisdiction of newton's laws of motion now |
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2009-11-20, 02:10 | Link #275 | |
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This works with the visual of the "laser beam" thing we have see as well as why Touma DID block in the Railgun Manga. If we consider this, than the power A is still sustaining effect B, so Touma can stop it. |
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2009-11-20, 03:16 | Link #276 |
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Speaking of the manga, how many are anticipating this week episode of Railgun since the infamous bridge scene is coming which one question that lead to the birth of this sub-forum:
Can Touma really block Mikoto's railgun or not?
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2009-11-20, 05:57 | Link #277 |
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is the next episode about touma and mikoto in the bridge? I only see a alley way their.
Can I ask a question...... when did touma block the RAILGUN? I think he did block a tons of lightning volts with billions or millions on it but I can't seem to remember him blocking the railgun itself. Well I still think he can block the railgun because its a continuous electric charge from biribiri. Like a laser beam but if the coin itself has the momentum of its own. It can hurt touma but still without the power behind it. Its initial strength should decrease dramatically to the point he should have blocked it. |
2009-11-20, 06:31 | Link #278 | |
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What is so interesting with Mikoto ignorant of IB is that she thinks Touma can take away her powers permanently. |
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2009-11-20, 08:00 | Link #279 | |
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The explanation for this is quite simple, just because Mikoto or Accelerator is not actively channeling the coin, that still doesn't change that the coin moving at that speed is doing so because of an unnatural phenomenon. Or rather, the coin moving at that speed is the unnatural phenomenon. The moment Touma touches that coin, the phenomenon is broken and the coin returns to reality, meaning zero movement. After that, gravity takes over and the coin falls to the ground. Last edited by Keroko; 2009-11-20 at 08:33. |
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2009-11-20, 12:26 | Link #280 | |
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obviously she blocked her shot, but she still DOES NOT do what a real life rail gun does, instead she is "insert whatever term you want here for whatever technology which applies constant acceleration to a projectile" and that would be a rocket or a missile
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whichever way you look at it, bottom line is there is an inconsistency between accelerator and rail gun |
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